TCLA Direct Training Contract Applications Discussion Thread 2024-5

Many candidates apply to law firms for vacation schemes and training contracts, and there are only limited places at each firm.

This may not be the first or second cycle for applicants but their fifth or tenth cycle.

Applying for paralegal positions are as, if not more, competitive than vacation schemes and training contracts. Perhaps this may be because firms may think candidates are applying for a training contract and are not committed long term to the paralegal role.

I have a 2.1 at undergraduate level from a RG-university, passed the LPC and have an LLM from Oxbridge/Durham/UCL/LSE. I have also completed vacation schemes at international and national law firms.

What do people do in order to avoid unemployment and go on state benefits such as JSA or universal credit?
 
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Many candidates apply to law firms for vacation schemes and training contracts, and there are only limited places at each firm.

This may not be the first or second cycle for applicants but their fifth or tenth cycle.

Applying for paralegal positions are as, if not more, competitive than vacation schemes and training contracts. Perhaps this may be because firms may think candidates are applying for a training contract and are not committed long term to the paralegal role.

I have a 2.1 at undergraduate level from a RG-university, passed the LPC and have an LLM from Oxbridge/Durham/UCL/LSE. I have also completed vacation schemes at international and national law firms.

What do people do in order to avoid unemployment and go on state benefits such as JSA or universal credit?
I really am surprised by firms being off put from hiring someone for paralegal over commitment.

Firms always say they prefer applicants to have sat the SQE - but why would anyone put them selves through SQE to become a career paralegal?
 
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Hi all,

I am planning to apply next intake but have been out of the legal waters a few years working abroad.
I am British and currently live overseas, so I assume direct TCs are my best option (since we are long past the COVID days of online VS). I did a VS back when assessment centres were online, but VS were in-person.
My main concern is if there is anything I will have to attend in-person, such as assessment days. Can anyone with experience help shed some light? Have assessment centres also transitioned back to being in-person? Or, if you have pre-covid experience, what was done in these situations then?

Many thanks :)
 

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Many candidates apply to law firms for vacation schemes and training contracts, and there are only limited places at each firm.

This may not be the first or second cycle for applicants but their fifth or tenth cycle.

Applying for paralegal positions are as, if not more, competitive than vacation schemes and training contracts. Perhaps this may be because firms may think candidates are applying for a training contract and are not committed long term to the paralegal role.

I have a 2.1 at undergraduate level from a RG-university, passed the LPC and have an LLM from Oxbridge/Durham/UCL/LSE. I have also completed vacation schemes at international and national law firms.

What do people do in order to avoid unemployment and go on state benefits such as JSA or universal credit?

I don't entirely agree that firms question the commitment of the candidates with TCs secured. It feels more and more to me, like firms and recruiters are gatekeeping the jobs. How many postings do you see these days that state X experience required for an entry-level role (even asking for 3-6 months) or "paralegal role - TC SECURED / FUTUREE TRAINEE"??

It's frustrating, I've been there and it did feel a bit hopeless, why does a TC at a firm with non-related practice areas make another individual more qualified for a transactional RE role? Why does a 2 week vacation scheme somehow magically count as 3-6 months of experience in the eyes of recruiters?
I would say, the most important thing to avoid unemployment is keep applying. Also, networking, I cannot stress how important it is. If you know when a post is opening up and apply first, can have someone refer you etc. it makes all the difference these days, especially in this economy/ job market. I would also put particular emphasis in applying to firms that allow for internal TC application/promotion. Plenty US firms do as well as other international city outfits.
In my experience, most hiring managers know full well that most paralegals are not committed long term and are applying for training contracts. Its HR and recruitment who gatekeep the roles.
 

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I really am surprised by firms being off put from hiring someone for paralegal over commitment.

Firms always say they prefer applicants to have sat the SQE - but why would anyone put them selves through SQE to become a career paralegal?
It used to be the same with the LPC - many paralegal roles would require the LPC which someone would have to have self-funded. I don't really agree with it, but it has been very common in the industry for decades.
 
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    I don't entirely agree that firms question the commitment of the candidates with TCs secured. It feels more and more to me, like firms and recruiters are gatekeeping the jobs. How many postings do you see these days that state X experience required for an entry-level role (even asking for 3-6 months) or "paralegal role - TC SECURED / FUTUREE TRAINEE"??

    It's frustrating, I've been there and it did feel a bit hopeless, why does a TC at a firm with non-related practice areas make another individual more qualified for a transactional RE role? Why does a 2 week vacation scheme somehow magically count as 3-6 months of experience in the eyes of recruiters?
    I would say, the most important thing to avoid unemployment is keep applying. Also, networking, I cannot stress how important it is. If you know when a post is opening up and apply first, can have someone refer you etc. it makes all the difference these days, especially in this economy/ job market. I would also put particular emphasis in applying to firms that allow for internal TC application/promotion. Plenty US firms do as well as other international city outfits.
    In my experience, most hiring managers know full well that most paralegals are not committed long term and are applying for training contracts. Its HR and recruitment who gatekeep the roles.
    Paralegals are generally hired quickly and cheaply, by only taking those with TCs they outsource the quality check part of the recruitment process and can hire on FTCs / for a defined length of time without upsetting either party. Not saying I agree with it, but you can understand why they do it
     

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    I don't entirely agree that firms question the commitment of the candidates with TCs secured. It feels more and more to me, like firms and recruiters are gatekeeping the jobs. How many postings do you see these days that state X experience required for an entry-level role (even asking for 3-6 months) or "paralegal role - TC SECURED / FUTUREE TRAINEE"??

    It's frustrating, I've been there and it did feel a bit hopeless, why does a TC at a firm with non-related practice areas make another individual more qualified for a transactional RE role? Why does a 2 week vacation scheme somehow magically count as 3-6 months of experience in the eyes of recruiters?
    I would say, the most important thing to avoid unemployment is keep applying. Also, networking, I cannot stress how important it is. If you know when a post is opening up and apply first, can have someone refer you etc. it makes all the difference these days, especially in this economy/ job market. I would also put particular emphasis in applying to firms that allow for internal TC application/promotion. Plenty US firms do as well as other international city outfits.
    In my experience, most hiring managers know full well that most paralegals are not committed long term and are applying for training contracts. Its HR and recruitment who gatekeep the roles.
    The "future trainee" criteria has been one used for decades too. It ultimately is sifting candidates out and ensuring the quality of candidate is likely to be high, because they have gone through a rigorous selection process with a firm. It is like applying an assessment without having to actually assess the candidate yourself. In these instances, the roles are likely to be fixed term contracts rather than permanent roles, which works for both sides.

    It is the permanent paralegal roles that firms will want someone not currently looking to secure a TC. Paralegal roles have exceptional high turn over and employers want to try and ensure they aren't onboarding someone, only for them to leave less than 6 months later when they have secured a TC and need to start the LPC/SQE/TC,
     
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    Hi all,

    I am planning to apply next intake but have been out of the legal waters a few years working abroad.
    I am British and currently live overseas, so I assume direct TCs are my best option (since we are long past the COVID days of online VS). I did a VS back when assessment centres were online, but VS were in-person.
    My main concern is if there is anything I will have to attend in-person, such as assessment days. Can anyone with experience help shed some light? Have assessment centres also transitioned back to being in-person? Or, if you have pre-covid experience, what was done in these situations then?

    Many thanks :)

    Hi! In my experience, assessment centres and final stage interviews have now transitioned to being in-person. However, some firms do offer virtual assessment centre options, or, if they don't, might be open to offering you a virtual arrangement upon request if you cannot travel to the UK.
     
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    How do law firms view candidates who have been on state benefits such as JSA or universal credit?
    They are unlikely to ever find this information out, unless you went out of your way to tell them. It wouldn't need to be something you disclosed in a recruitment process.
     

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