TCLA Vacation Scheme Applications Discussion Thread 2024-25

Ram Sabaratnam

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Why am I the opposite to everybody here? Never practiced the WG in my life but yet never failed one ever. Genuinely find it mostly easy - have scored 99th percentile for CC and 94th for Linklaters. Yet I was rejected for both because my application writing and interviewing skills are absolutely horrendous.

Basically using this to moan because apparently all my god given skill points were used to max out the bloody Watson Glaser Test of all things, leaving me a talentless hack in everything else 😭

EDIT: And I can't even help people get better because I don't know what I do. I've never looked at a study resource or anything - I have no working out to show. Anyone know of any firms' application process that are just 5 WG tests? 🥲


Hey @Parsorandini! Just building on what @Andrei Radu aptly pointed out (I've heard similar things myself) 👀

It's great that you're able to score so high on the Watson Glaser. Scoring in the 99th and 94th percentiles isn’t something many people can say, so it’s clear you have some serious strengths to build on. I’m confident you have what it takes to be successful in other parts of the application process too! If you’re finding it challenging to approach written applications, video interviews, or assessment centres, don’t hesitate to ask questions here on the forum. Andrei, @Amma Usman and @Jessica Booker consistently offer excellent advice on application writing and interviewing. I've also been in the same boat and would be more than happy to share tips or help with specific areas! Best of luck with other applications, you Watson Glaser genius!
 

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Why am I the opposite to everybody here? Never practiced the WG in my life but yet never failed one ever. Genuinely find it mostly easy - have scored 99th percentile for CC and 94th for Linklaters. Yet I was rejected for both because my application writing and interviewing skills are absolutely horrendous.

Basically using this to moan because apparently all my god given skill points were used to max out the bloody Watson Glaser Test of all things, leaving me a talentless hack in everything else 😭

EDIT: And I can't even help people get better because I don't know what I do. I've never looked at a study resource or anything - I have no working out to show. Anyone know of any firms' application process that are just 5 WG tests? 🥲
I can relate- I actually like doing the Watson Glaser, it’s my favourite test.

The one I cannot stand though is Artic Shores game-based assessments. They really suck!
 

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    JobTestPrep talks about how using an "ITDN table" as a thinking strategy can help with the Watson Glaser. I bought their package last year but didn't see what it meant. Does anyone have any idea what this could be? Thank you! :)
     

    studentdelaw786

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    I agree with this - I generally don't see any firms with two names shortening it, the firm's with three or more tend to shorten it themselves in one format or another, and then I advise to go with that format.

    If you are worried about word count, there is typically many more ways you can shorten your writing elsewhere than potentially shortening the firm's name in a way it doesn't use/isn't commonly used in the legal sector.
    thank you kindly! @Jessica Booker @Andrei Radu
     
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    sammm10101

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    uuuu I am not a fan of two-pronged questions, e.g. 'What steps have you taken to research a career as a solicitor at an international law firm? What appeals to you about this career?'. This is one question for HFW, yet I really want to take the second point in a direction which doesn't really align that well with the first part. Just let me do both pleeaase
     

    pleasepleaseplease

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    Hi @pleasepleaseplease I definitely think it is a good idea to write you want to learn more about practice areas that interest you. The only caveat to that is to make sure that the practices you choose to write about are some of the bigger ones in the London office and ideally some of the ones the firm is known for in the market (which you can ascertain by taking a look at their Chambers UK and Chambers Global rankings).

    Besides that, I think it is in general a good idea to identify the firm's unique selling points (USPs) - be them related to practice areas, culture, training or international offices - and explain you want to learn more about them. Some of the USPs identified by the TCLA team in HFW's Firm Profile (which you can access here) also include:
    • Sector-focused firm, with a particularly strong reputation for shipping and commodities
    • Inherently global practice, with lots of opportunity for cross-border work
    • Disputes-heavy firm, with high rankings for their contentious teams
    Thank you so much!
     
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    3000to1shoteverytime

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    Why am I the opposite to everybody here? Never practiced the WG in my life but yet never failed one ever. Genuinely find it mostly easy - have scored 99th percentile for CC and 94th for Linklaters. Yet I was rejected for both because my application writing and interviewing skills are absolutely horrendous.

    Basically using this to moan because apparently all my god given skill points were used to max out the bloody Watson Glaser Test of all things, leaving me a talentless hack in everything else 😭

    EDIT: And I can't even help people get better because I don't know what I do. I've never looked at a study resource or anything - I have no working out to show. Anyone know of any firms' application process that are just 5 WG tests? 🥲
    On the plus side you will be able to improve your written applications and interview skills more easily than trying to better a WG score.
     

    andrecsaa

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    US aint the one for you my brother/sister/them in Christ.

    At Bakers (an intl firm with US headquarters) everyone emphasised they are not US in culture. From the trainees to associates, to partners and Business Development. HOWEVER, when you dug further, they all said they weren't leaving the office before 8 pm. They strongly reiterated to us that you shouldn't expect yourself to be leaving before 8pm. They do respect you completing things outside of work as long you communicate clearly in advance

    This massively depends on department culture, but from the experience of asking different staff at different firms, the hours tend to match across the board (bar corporate/transactional work which is bonkers). From IP to Disputes and Employment, trainees all discussed regularly working to at least 8 pm and beyond at BM. The difference (compared to the US firms) is that their weekends are more often untouched and their holidays are respected completely. However, don't expect to not work during the holiday, even if you are in a traditionally seeming "easy" or "less stressful seat" (the employment trainees were disgruntled about working during easter!)

    A general rule of thumb I received is that if they're a top 20 UK firm in terms of revenue and/or they're paying you over 100k as an NQ, it is highly unlikely you will have the WLB you're seeking. Make of that what you will, but checking this against Legal Cheek's reported timings, the advice does hold some weight.

    Another recommendation was that if they are Tier 2 and above for Corporate deals at the premium level (like 750 mil and above), then just know...it's a rough one. Bare in mind we all have to complete a transactional seat as per the SRA guidelines, so choose your fate carefully!

    So, to conclude, I'd focus on less elite transactional-driven firms if you want comparatively good WLB - typically US, MC, and SC firms - regardless of their size and "unique culture", they will all expect the same of you in terms of output/WLB. Instead, go after firms that are recognised for a wide range of non-transactional services and practices that stand out as their USP. Or they may be sector-driven (Bird n Bird, Osborn Clarke, etc.).

    That is unless you are focused on being a transactional solicitor. If so, why not go for the big ticket because you will be working the same amount of hours as solicitors on the opposite end of a transaction? Might as well get paid the same or more...

    In the long term, you might earn higher bonuses, and it is easier to reach the billable hours target in private equity, corporate and transactional seats. Although it's a concern for post-qualification, I would check the billable hours targets of each firm on Legal Cheek. You'll find more accurate working hours (for instance, 2200 hours is an insane target typical of US firms - 2200/260 = 8,5 billable hours per day).
     
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    bangarangbass39

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    In the long term, you might earn higher bonuses, and it is easier to reach the billable hours target in corporate and transactional seats.
    For sure. But that also depends on if your firm has billable targets - a lot don’t have them. Of course the US places a greater emphasis on this.

    I also imagine they’d differ between departments slightly - the market activity affects the work rate of departments differently and so do other unique demands from clients/sectors.

    Also, higher bonuses come with the most obvious price - more of your time! I’m not against it tho.
     

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