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TCLA Vacation Scheme Applications Discussion Thread 2024-25
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Starting the morning well with a White & Case rejection (it was in my spam box)🙄
Hey, I'm obviously not Andrei, so don't have to listen to me whatsoever!Hi! @Andrei Radu
I applied for the Davis Polk open day and was successful, and now I am writing my application for their vac scheme. Both the open day and the vac scheme have this exact question:
"Please give details of your interests, extracurricular activities, positions of responsibility, skills and achievements. Please also include any other information that you feel is relevant to your application (300 words)"
Is it okay to write the exact same answer that I wrote for the open day given the answer was met with success? (and in the time between writing the open day application and now the vac scheme, not much as changed regarding the answer anyway).
If not, how would you suggest I improve/change it for the vac scheme application?
Many thanks
But I think I saw a similar question on the forum, and the answer was that it is highly encouraged to not use the same exact answer. Open days are way less competitive than VS, so what may have worked then may not work now. This was also echoed in my L/W open day which may, again, not be relevant to you.
I think it is normal that your experiences may have not changed but I’m pretty sure they do encourage you to change your answer somehow, structure, language etc…
Hope this helps, if not, ignore me completely
I don't remember the exact time frame but I'm pretty sure it was no more than a week! Also doing summer, I think all their internships are for summer
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Hi! @Andrei Radu
I applied for the Davis Polk open day and was successful, and now I am writing my application for their vac scheme. Both the open day and the vac scheme have this exact question:
"Please give details of your interests, extracurricular activities, positions of responsibility, skills and achievements. Please also include any other information that you feel is relevant to your application (300 words)"
Is it okay to write the exact same answer that I wrote for the open day given the answer was met with success? (and in the time between writing the open day application and now the vac scheme, not much as changed regarding the answer anyway).
If not, how would you suggest I improve/change it for the vac scheme application?
Many thanks
Hiya @Legalgirl
I wanted to jump in here and add to what @lolasparks insightfully mentioned. I'm also sure @Andrei Radu would have more to say here.
First, I’d advise against using the exact same answer from your open day application for the vacation scheme. While the answer was successful the first time, vacation scheme applications are often more competitive, and so using the same answer does not guarantee that you will be successful here (in fact, there's reason to think that if you used the exact same answer, your application may even be rejected). Second, it's worth noting that while the application question may be the same, firms will often look for different things in an open day application when compared to a vacation scheme application. Thus, it's important to try to update your answer to this question, showing refined motivations and a stronger understanding of the firm. I'm a firm believer in the idea that each application should feel fresh and tailored to the specific opportunity.
Since you’ve already attended the open day, you now have the opportunity to build on your original answer by reflecting on what you learned and how it has strengthened your motivations for applying to Davis Polk. For instance, did you gain any new insights into the firm’s culture, its practice areas, or the way it works with clients? Did you meet anyone at the open day who inspired you or gave you an interesting perspective on the firm? Including this kind of detail will show that you’ve taken the time to develop your understanding of Davis Polk and have actively engaged with the firm. The open day also presents a perfect opportunity to help you showcase how your skills, achievements, and interests have developed since your open day application.
Best of luck with your application. Feel free to reach out if you have any more questions!
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Is anyone else getting tired of no responses from firms. I thought early apps for firms would mean hearing back early esp if they are non rolling but I guess not
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Hi everyone and congrats/ good luck on your apps!
I just wanted to ask for some advice regarding W&C - I was just rejected post-VI for their VS last night, but iirc I can still apply for their TC in this cycle. Would you recommend editing/further tailoring the online application when I reapply? Naturally I have some things to update such as Careers Events I have attended and work experience etc, but otherwise is it fine to copy-paste my online app* given that it's the same cycle?
*Aside from the covering letter of course.
I know the chances of being accepted straight for a TC are slim in comparison to VS but figured it's worth a shot. Apologies if this is the wrong forum - please direct me to the correct one if this isn't the right place
Hiya @tholds
I think it’s absolutely fine to apply again (and I'd highly recommend you do so)! It’s great that you’re already planning to update your cover letter - that’s always my recommended first step! You don't have to revise all sections of your application, but it might be worth doing so if you think you can add a bit more depth or better showcase the skills you've used during work experiences. While your current work experience entries don’t need to change drastically, I'd encourage you to think about how you can refine or expand on these other aspects of your application.
One important thing to note is that applications for White & Case’s direct training contract are not reviewed on a rolling basis (unlike their vacation scheme). This means you can take your time over the next few months to build your profile further. Whether it’s volunteering, taking on a part-time role, getting involved with societies, or attending legal events, these small additions can round out your application and make a positive difference.
Finally, I’d encourage you to keep going with your other vacation scheme applications too. Many people have been in your shoes! One former community assistant at TCLA, for example, was rejected from a vacation scheme with White & Case, but ended up securing a training contract with them after completing schemes with other firms. I’ve no doubt that you can do the same! Best of luck, and feel free to reach out if you need more help!
Hey, I'm obviously not Andrei, so don't have to listen to me whatsoever!
But I think I saw a similar question on the forum, and the answer was that it is highly encouraged to not use the same exact answer. Open days are way less competitive than VS, so what may have worked then may not work now. This was also echoed in my L/W open day which may, again, not be relevant to you.
I think it is normal that your experiences may have not changed but I’m pretty sure they do encourage you to change your answer somehow, structure, language etc…
Hope this helps, if not, ignore me completely
Thank you guys so much, this is very helpful!
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Hiya @Aspiringsolicitor01
Completely agree with @Jessica Booker (to absolutely nobody's surprise)!
These schemes are fantastic experience to mention in your applications! In my first application cycle, I relied heavily on opportunities like the Legal Cheek Winter Vacation Scheme to demonstrate my interest in and understanding of the legal profession. They offered important insights that I eventually leveraged in my open day and vacation scheme applications. They also helped me demonstrate my proactive efforts to learn more about commercial law and specific firms.
What’s key is to highlight how the scheme helped you develop your appreciation for the distinctiveness of commercial law. If you engaged with specific firms or lawyers during the scheme, it's perfectly fine to mention them and how these interactions shaped your understanding of the profession. When I did the Legal Cheek scheme, for instance, I attended online talks with lawyers from various firms, and these insights became useful points to discuss in my applications when explaining why I wanted to attend open days or vacation schemes at their firms.
For those of us without a direct route into the profession, schemes like these offer a low barrier to entry and can be incredibly valuable in helping candidates develop their understanding of commercial. Definitely include it in your applications! 😊
I am reapplying to a firm after failing the video interview. The issue is I do not want to fix what is not broken. How do I go about "updating" my app without losing the essence? @Jessica Booker @Ram Sabaratnam
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Hiya @Amehta1
I think it’s absolutely fine to mention a career path that’s different from banking or consulting! In fact, choosing something you’re genuinely passionate about, like software engineering, can make your answer stand out (and show you have a personality!). The key is to explain why that career appeals to you, ensuring it isn't too far at odds with the sort of skills expected in a legal career.
For example, when I’ve answered this type of question, I’ve mentioned roles like investigative journalism or research in foreign policy at one of my favourite think tanks . I focused on what drew me to those paths, describing the way I'd be using my analytical thinking or problem-solving, or even just getting the chance to work on impactful issues. Similarly, you could highlight what fascinates you about software engineering, like logical thinking, creativity in problem-solving, or attention to detail, and discuss these in a way that shows (rather than explicitly tells) the reader that you're interested in the sort of skills, challenges, and opportunities that make for a good commercial lawyer.
The aim isn’t to choose something “commercial” but to show that you’re reflective and thoughtful about your interests. Best of luck, and let us know if you need more advice!
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Hiya @Tclarocks123 👀
I think it's understandable that you don’t want to change what worked (I remember feeling this way with some firms that I re-applied to during my second cycle), but depending on how long ago you applied, giving your application a bit of a facelift is important. Without some updates, there's a risk that your application may come across as though you haven’t developed your experiences or motivations, which could reflect poorly.
Not everything needs to change. Your academic results, degree, or some work experience entries may still be relevant and appropriate to keep. However, here are just some things to keep in mind when updating and strengthening your application:
- Work Experience: Have you undertaken any new roles, attended any legal or commercial events, or gained insight through extracurricular activities? Even if the roles are unrelated to law, think about transferable skills you’ve developed, such as teamwork, leadership, or analytical thinking.
- Motivations for the Firm: Your core interests in the firm might remain the same. For example, you might still be interested in a firm's strength in private equity or disputes or certain sectors. However, how has your understanding of the firm's capabilities in these areas deepened since your last application? Have you read about recent deals, awards, or initiatives that resonate with you? Have you had any new experiences that have given you fresh insights into these areas? Again, you don't need to radically rethink your main motivations for joining the firm, but think about how your personal experiences and the firm's work have developed since your last app.
- Commercial Awareness: For any commercial related questions, it's worth reflecting on any industry trends or challenges the firm might face. If you're still mentioning news stories or trends that are a bit outdated, this is your chance to think about how to update this area in a way that makes your application more relevant.
- Personal Growth: Think about how you’ve evolved since your last application. Have you developed skills like resilience or adaptability, especially if you’ve faced challenges (like the video interview itself)? Share how these experiences have prepared you for a legal career.
Well, right after I said that Dechert grad rec emailed saying they've filled their places for WVS and asking if I'd like to be considered for Spring ahah
In the email it said we would here back by the end of November so I’m thinking in the next few days (this was for the spring scheme)
Hi, do you have any tips on how to prepare for the VI section please? The situation based questions sound difficult!
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