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TCLA Vacation Scheme Applications Discussion Thread 2024-25

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    General question for anyone who has been to an interview/AC:

    Did you feel being interviewed by a lawyer quite daunting? The idea of me (a rookie!) talking at length with a partner is pretty intimidating to me. Especially when the whole exercise is to see whether I’m what they’re looking for. (i.e. am I good enough or not?)
    I’d love to hear how people frame the dynamic in their minds.

    Thank you in advance ☺️
    I always found small talk before getting into the interview helped. It not only calms you down but it’s assures the interviewer that you‘re comfortable speaking to a those with a range of experience.

    For example In an interview I was asked how my journey was to the office. I spoke about the central line being hot and crowded. I was also asked where I lived as they could also relate to the tube nightmares. From this I took the opportunity to say where I lived and where I’d love to move to which one of the partners already lived in this area! We mutually bonded over crazy housing prices as well as interest rates which fed into me being commercially aware. Small talk like this really set the tone of the interview and my nerves slowly went away. hopefully this was helpful although long haha x
     

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    @Jessica Booker @Ram Sabaratnam @Andrei Radu
    Got rejected at from DLA piper which stings because the AC was actually quite fun and I liked the firm. Moving on, would you be able to give me some advice on whether you are supposed to filter in firm specific facts about, Eversheds Sutherland for the application questions.
    1)When have you worked in an ambitious goal?
    2)When have you delivered a piece of work where quality was an important factor?
     
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    _shims_

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    Hi everyone! My HL WVS is next week, and I am a bit nervous, as I don't know what to expect. This is my first ever VS, and I am hoping to convert it to a TC so any guidance/advice anyone has will be much appreciated. Thanks in advance!
     

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    Andrei Radu

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    Does Willkie screen applications before inviting them to the next stage, the VI?
    Last year Willkie definitely reviewed applications before the VI stage. I would be really surprised if they changed the process this year, as firms almost never give automatic VIs - it would only increase the graduate recruitment teams' workloads.
     
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    jta227

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    Quite a lot of firms use the "do you have an internal contact at X firm?" on their application, and I'm just wondering what actually counts as an internal contact. E.g. if one of your close friends from secondary school or university is currently an associate, but you haven't spoken to them in several years, would this be an internal contact? What's the purpose of the question?
     
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    Tintin06

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    Hi everyone! My HL WVS is next week, and I am a bit nervous, as I don't know what to expect. This is my first ever VS, and I am hoping to convert it to a TC so any guidance/advice anyone has will be much appreciated. Thanks in advance!
    Read Jake Schogger’s Training Contract handbook. The Commercial Awareness book by Christopher Stoakes is good too. Plenty of YouTube content from Idin and Simran too.
     
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    Andrei Radu

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    Hi everyone! My HL WVS is next week, and I am a bit nervous, as I don't know what to expect. This is my first ever VS, and I am hoping to convert it to a TC so any guidance/advice anyone has will be much appreciated. Thanks in advance!
    Hey @_shims_ first of all, huge congrats on the VS - it is an amazing achievement, the fact that you got so far shows that you are an exceptionally strong candidate! It is completely normal to feel nervous ahead of it (everyone else on the scheme will), but you should also know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you have all you need to succeed. As cliche as it sounds, a big part of VS conversion just comes down to confidence in your own abilities.

    Now, as for resources, I would definitely recommend taking a look at this thread, as it contains both a lot of pointed tips and links to more in-depth and comprehensive guides. I would also advise you to take a look at TCLA's course on VS conversion, this was particularly helpful for me.

    Finally, to give you some of my own top tips:
    • Pay a lot of attention at the initial presentation of the VS to ascertain what are the criteria the firm will assess you on and how much weigh the firm is likely to place on any criterion. If need be, ask further questions to grad rec and trainees. Then revise your VS strategy accordingly. Although firms may look for similar skills and attributes, their assessment methods can differ quite substantially. In my case, at Milbank a lot of emphasis was placed on the final interview performance and on your level of social integration in the firm, at Willkie there was no final interview or assessment and the quality of your work product was the primary consideration, while at Slaughter and May the TC interview was treated as completely separate from the VS and therefore only your final interview performance was considered. Should I have prioritized getting a lot of work over getting to know people at Milbank, I would have been erring, but doing this was exactly the right strategy at Willkie.
    • Focus on doing a good job and scoring well on all the relevant criteria, instead of trying to blow people away with your smarts. I have noticed a tendency among unsuccessful vacation schemers of having this notion that they must be seen saying and doing a lot of impressive things to succeed. That they must somehow show themselves to be absolutely brilliant. However, because of how much they focused on excelling, many of these people would forego doing properly the simple and easy things they were assessed on. For instance, a person I knew that was making it a point to go to at least 10 coffee chats per day ended up not being able to submit the main written task in time. Moreover, this kind of attitude can put people off. In truth, as a vacation schemer you are at the bottom of the competence hierarchy in any law firm. Because of your inexperience, you will simply know a lot less than anyone else. As such, always trying to show off your knowledge and skills will make you look overconfident and might annoy those you are working with. Long story short, my advice is to be enthusiastic, confident, and eager to engage and contribute, but not to take it to the extreme.
    • Know how to read the rooms you are in. At most firms, your ability to connect with your supervisor and other team members will have a substantial impact on your success chances. This is why you must be able to change your attitude and way you interact depending on the particular person and circumstances. For instance, in my first day in a VS I noticed my supervisor was very stressed and busy, so I didn't bother them with many questions. I could see they really appreciated that and the second day they took away a significant amount of their time to chat and get to know me. On that point, once again try to ascertain what other people would like to talk about. Of course it's good to be enthusiastic about the work, but many times when people in a firm take some time away to chat, they just want to relax for a minute and forget about their job. Being able to connect to people in the firm is an important part of the assessment and will also influence how much people will want to help you out in securing a TC, so I would not overlook it.
     

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    Quite a lot of firms use the "do you have an internal contact at X firm?" on their application, and I'm just wondering what actually counts as an internal contact. E.g. if one of your close friends from secondary school or university is currently an associate, but you haven't spoken to them in several years, would this be an internal contact? What's the purpose of the question?
    I think firms have these questions because of anti-nepotism policies. In your case, since you have not been in contact a long time, there could not be any reasonable suspicion that your old friend would try to influence the recruitment process in your favour. As such, I think he would not count as an 'internal contact', but @Jessica Booker is better placed to answer this.
     

    Andrei Radu

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    @Jessica Booker @Ram Sabaratnam @Andrei Radu
    Got rejected at from DLA piper which stings because the AC was actually quite fun and I liked the firm. Moving on, would you be able to give me some advice on whether you are supposed to filter in firm specific facts about, Eversheds Sutherland for the application questions.
    1)When have you worked in an ambitious goal?
    2)When have you delivered a piece of work where quality was an important factor?
    I'm sorry to hear about the DLA AC @cleojwilliams, I imagine how disappointing it is to get so close to your goal. But know that you can and will bounce back stronger, and that getting so far shows that you have everything it takes to succeed! If possible, I would reach out to DLA and ask for some feedback on your AC so that you can work on whatever can be improved before your next one.

    As for your question, @Ram Sabaratnam might know more, but I do not think you should filter in firm facts for these questions. There is definitely no expectation to this effect from recruiters, and I think trying to do so might reduce the clarity of your main points.
     

    Andrei Radu

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    Are we guaranteed a disputes seat at HSF? Can’t find anything on their website
    At an open day I was told by someone at HSF that you are guaranteed a disputes and a corporate seat. If I am not mistaken, doing one of each is actually mandatory for most trainees. However, you are not guaranteed any specific seat within the broad 'disputes' and 'corporate' umbrellas. Certain practices, like International Arbitration, will always be more competitive.
     
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