TCLA Vacation Scheme Applications Discussion Thread 2024-25

[BillSikes]

I understand Baker McKenzie are rolling basis. Does anyone know if rolling basis actually matters for Baker? as I know for most firms it is mostly irrelevant.

 

[BillSikes]

you don’t need to actually submit the cover letters lmao.

Two down votes to this. I've list as long of my arm of firms that have offered me interview where I have not submitted cover letter. All firms you will have heard of.

 

[Chris Brown]

I understand Baker McKenzie are rolling basis. Does anyone know if rolling basis actually matters for Baker? as I know for most firms it is mostly irrelevant.

Is this for VS or DTC? If you are asking about DTC, I saw this post a while ago on the other TCLA DTC thread:​

on their site and email after sending the application:

-February 1st 2025 - Applications open.
-February 1st - April 1st 2025 - Applications will be reviewed on a rolling basis. All applications will be reviewed prior to online tests being sent out.
-April 1st 2025 - Application deadline.
-April 2025 - Successful candidates sent invite to undertake online tests and a video interview.
-May 2025 - Successful candidates will attend an assessment centre.
-May - June 2025 - Successful candidates will be offered a Training Contract to commence in March or September 2027.

 

[BillSikes]

Is this for VS or DTC? If you are asking about DTC, I saw this post a while ago on the other TCLA DTC thread:​

Yeah I'm looking to apply direct. Are the test and VI sent at the same time then - and not separate stages? I know the test sed to be WG - is this still case?

 

[Chris Brown]

Yeah I'm looking to apply direct. Are the test and VI sent at the same time then - and not separate stages? I know the test sed to be WG - is this still case?

I think the online test and VI will be separate stages, although I’m not fully sure tbh. Here’s the link to their grad rec website which explains the application process for both VS and DTC:

Application Process

uk-graduates.bakermckenzie.com

 

[Amma Usman]

Hiya @BobThebIlly

First off, well done on those impressive scores for assumptions (88%) and evaluating arguments (100%). Those are fantastic and show you’ve really nailed those sections! Let’s focus on the “drawing conclusions” part and see how you can improve in the short time you have.

The Watson Glaser tests your ability to draw conclusions in two specific sections - the deduction section, as well as the inference section.

Deductions: This section tests your ability to make a deduction. With deductions, you are trying to find what follows absolutely and necessarily from the premises you are given, and just assume that all those premises are true. For example:

• Premise 1: All cats have whiskers
• Premise 2: Ram is a cat (this premise is false, but for the purpose of your deduction just assume it's true)
• Conclusion: Ram has whiskers

Notice that, in the above argument, if you assume the initial premises are true, then the conclusion follows necessarily and absolutely. This reflects the way you should be 'drawing conclusions' in the deduction section.

The inference section, by contrast, tests your ability to draw conclusions in more probabilistic ways. They are not asking you to identify what follows absolutely or necessarily. Rather, they involve asking what conclusions are probable or strongly suggested by the evidence though not certain (e.g. follow strongly). For the purposes of the inference section, there are two styles of reasoning that you should become familiar with:

1. Inductions: Imagine you’re a scientist studying bird migration. Over the course of several years, you observe that geese in a particular region always migrate south during the winter. Based on these repeated observations, you draw the conclusion "Geese in this region migrate south every winter." This is a good conclusion to draw because it's based on consistent and repeated evidence. However, it’s not certain (there could be a year when some geese don’t migrate for an unexpected reason, like illness or environmental changes). Induction involves drawing conclusions to make predictions about the future or generalisations about a group based on observed patterns. To understand whether an inference is a strong one, you'll also want to familiarise yourself with the ways people get inductions wrong. These include, but are not limited to:
   • Overgeneralising: This occurs when someone draws a broad conclusion based on too few examples. For instance, seeing two aggressive dogs and concluding that all dogs are aggressive is an overgeneralisation. The sample size is too small to justify the conclusion.
     
     
   • Sampling Bias: Drawing conclusions from an unrepresentative sample can lead to faulty reasoning. For example, surveying only a small group of people from one region and assuming their preferences reflect an entire population’s preferences is misleading.
     
     
   • Ignoring Counterexamples: Inductive reasoning requires considering exceptions, but people sometimes disregard counterexamples that weaken their conclusions. For instance, concluding that "all swans are white" without accounting for black swans ignores evidence that challenges the generalisation. Pay attention to whether the question stem and information you're being offered provides any potential counter evidence.
     
     
   • Confusing causation and correlation: People often assume that because two things happen together, one causes the other. For example, observing that ice cream sales increase in summer alongside shark attacks might lead someone to wrongly conclude that eating ice cream causes shark attacks. In reality, both are linked to a third factor: hot weather.
2. Abductions: This involves selecting the most likely explanation based on the available evidence. For example, if you find fur on your couch and a chewed slipper, you might reasonably conclude that your dog is responsible. While other explanations are logically possible (e.g. such as a neighbour's cat sneaking into your house unnoticed to chew the slipper and shed fur on the couch) - these are far less plausible, especially if you have a dog at home. Abductive reasoning is particularly useful in situations where the evidence is incomplete or ambiguous. It allows us to make practical, reasonable conclusions by focusing on the explanation that best fits the facts. This approach is commonly used in problem-solving, diagnosing issues, and decision-making, as it prioritises what is most likely rather than what is merely possible.

Appreciating these different ways of 'drawing a conclusion' is important because you want to ensure that you're using the appropriate form of reasoning depending on the section you're working on. Mistaking one for another can lead to choosing the wrong answers in that section.

Hope this helps and my apologies in advance for the length of my reply!

hello,

could somebody please give any tips/advice on how to approach links capp and wgt?

thank youuu

Hey there @Law queries ,

I have quoted a past post by @Ram Sabaratnam to help!

 

[Amma Usman]

I understand Baker McKenzie are rolling basis. Does anyone know if rolling basis actually matters for Baker? as I know for most firms it is mostly irrelevant.

Hi there,

In my experience, the rolling basis has actually lived up to its name, with firms genuinely reviewing applications and shortlisting candidates as they come in. While some firms may take a more relaxed approach and not extend offers until later in the cycle, I’ve generally found that rolling means exactly that, so applying early can make a difference.

I’d recommend not leaving the Baker McKenzie application to the last minute, though still ensuring you take the time to research the firm and back up your answers with personal experiences. If you’d like to learn more about the firm before applying, you could also speak to future trainees or other members of the firm to gain insights that could strengthen your application.

On the application questions themselves, I remember someone mentioning that the Baker McKenzie app has about five. If you need any help maneuvering those, feel free to drop us a message, we’d be happy to help!

 

[Amma Usman]

A firm is requesting me to prove my right to work by sending my national insurance number. I don’t have one yet but applied for one as soon as I received the onboarding email today. I should receive the National Insurance number within 4 weeks from now and my VS starts on the 7th of April, so it’s a bit tight time-wise.
I have read that I can start to work (and even get paid) without a NI number, but I just need to be able to prove my right to work (which I can do through an online visa share code).

I will obviously explain all this to the firm but am still a bit worried — @Jessica Booker in your experience is this likely to be a significant issue? 😅 have you had this kind of experience before especially with international students like myself who don’t necessarily have a NI number

Hi there,

Before @Jessica Booker jumps in, I know of people that have faced this similar situation and it was not an issue - they were able to start their internship. I presume you will still need to provide the number when it comes, but I’m sure firms have systems in place for things like this and have gone through the same situation with many internationals prior.

 

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Hi there,

Before @Jessica Booker jumps in, I know of people that have faced this similar situation and it was not an issue - they were able to start their internship. I presume you will still need to provide the number when it comes, but I’m sure firms have systems in place for things like this and have gone through the same situation with many internationals prior.

I see, thank you!!

 

[Law queries]

Hey there @Law queries ,

I have quoted a past post by @Ram Sabaratnam to help!

Thanks a lotttgt

 

[👩🎓]

you don’t need to actually submit the cover letters lmao.

They have specifically asked for a CV and cover letter in order to submit the application. It's not via a portal it's a submission over email.

 

[Jessica Booker]

I see, thank you!!

As @Amma Usman has said. This should not be an issue, especially given the scheme is likely to conclude by the time you have the NI number and when you get paid.

I do stress to international candidates who are getting to final round stages, especially late on or close to schemes starting, or when they start applying for jobs after graduation, it’s probably best to apply for an NI number earlier on rather than waiting until you have a job offer just to make these processes a little easier/less stressful.

 

[BillSikes]

They have specifically asked for a CV and cover letter in order to submit the application. It's not via a portal it's a submission over email.

Honestly unless it is physically mandatory to submit the application with cover letter I wouldn’t write one. If it was mandatory I would simply not bother. This is just my opinion and experience in paralegal app process.

 

[MR10]

I am currently a graduate working as a paralegal for the past 6 months. I achieved a 2.1 from a non russell group uni. I have a decent amount of legal and non legal work experience. Is it worth applying for direct TCs? Any help is appreciated. @Jessica Booker

 

[helenaskelton]

Holding email from CRS made tooo excited I thought I got a VI 🥹

Have they sent all their VIs out now?

 

[helenaskelton]

Has anyone who got a holding email from CRS heard back post-app?

No...do we assume PFO

 

[wanttosolicit]

HL and Sidley interview invitations..!

 

[James Wakefield]

Anything from Forsters post-AC?

 

[milawalton]

HL and Sidley interview invitations..!

Did you just get this? and was it for the spring or summer vac scheme?

 

[NJS]

HL and Sidley interview invitations..!

Sidley for summer?