They emailed yesterday late afternoon ishcongrats, when did you hear from them?
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Register HereThey emailed yesterday late afternoon ishcongrats, when did you hear from them?
I'm sorry to hear that! I'm still waiting on an email. I'm not sure if anyones gotten acceptance emails as of yet but its been 5 weeks now with not hearing back. Making me a little nervous.Goodwin post-VI PFO![]()
There wouldn't be 100 trainees at Freshfields wanting to qualify into IA - the firm wouldn't recruit that way.
Plus trainees would most likely have had to sit in an IA seat/secondment to be in with a realistic chance to qualify there. That could easily mean its limited to less than 12 trainees (not sure how many IA seats they have these days) being considered for one role. And the benefit of Freshfields is they have two qualification rounds per year, so it would never be 100 trainees - more like 40-45 qualifying at one time.
The issue with a smaller trainee intake but with a larger practice area is that 1) they tend to only have one qualification round per year where they only have one intake, and the ratios can spike much more easily than at a firm like Freshfields. If every trainee at Debevoise rotated into IA, they could all be interested in qualifying there and all have the right experience to do so. That would not happen at a firm like Freshfields.
But even if we said there were 12 viable trainees at Freshfields and 10 at Debevoise to go into an IA NQ role, all it could take is for none of those to be interested, for some to be hired elsewhere and who you have actually got vying for the roles could be very different.
The key data we aren't really considering though is how many seats there are and how many NQ roles there are. That is likely to influence qualification chances than anything else. Graduate Recruitment/HR try to make this manageable - they would try to stop departments taking on 5 trainees per rotation if they had no NQ hiring plans, but ultimately sometime business demand (e.g. one big high-profile case) could lead to additional trainees being taken on for one rotation but with the view that it is unlikely going to lead to a NQ opportunity at the end of the TC. Plans also change - whether its partners leaving, unexpected paternity/maternity/sabbatical leaves, significant increases/decreases in client work, NQ hiring numbers fluctuate a lot and often unexpectedly.
This is why there is a lot of luck in the process - there are too many variables for anyone to plan or control this.
Summer only, so they might be starting to send out invites for summer ppl tooMassive congrats! Did you apply to spring or summer?
By networking event, do you mean the business of law networking event? I think that was open to anyone who applied that insight day (not necessarily just the upcoming spring cohort. I think the fact that you haven't received a PFO when they have been rejecting people the last few weeks could be hope that they are still considering your application for their spring cohortLOL @ Latham who invited their upcoming spring VS cohort to the event yesterday to network when so many of us are still waiting to hear back post app/SJT. SO CHEEKY!!!
I had to ask what that meant for us who received holding emails. Was told the spring cohort is not completely filled and they may still get back to us in the next 2 weeks to hold AC's. Cutting it a bit short imo. was also told if we applied for spring it would be for spring and we would not be considered for summer or anything like that. Would much rather they just PFO than keep us in limbo like this![]()
Same here! I actually did the SJT twice (VS and DTC), and the results were pretty different:I felt the same tbh. I felt my answer to why Macfarlanes was decent but that SJT was acc horrid. It defo let me down because they seemed to allude to it in their email which was a semi-PFO. They said I could consider DTC application route. 🤷🏾♂️
Hi, does anyone know roughly when applications and the whole process for open days and similar events begins? This is my first cycle so I missed most of them this year so want to be more on it for the next one.
ahh I see; thanks for clarifying! Fingers crossedHi yes it was that event. You're correct in that it was open to everyone, to clarify my initial post I meant that grad rec had invited the upcoming spring cohort to network with us and speak through how they were successful in the application process. Which then caused my questions, as I remember a few of us on here received the holding email. Hopefully no news is good news!
The firm is more likely to offer 3 instead of 6 month seats for more competitive/in demand departments, but there is no guarantee of that. Some departments know that six months is really needed for trainees to get involved and if they say they want trainees for six months instead of three, that could happen no matter what the demand is. The eight-seat training contract is a bit of a marketing ploy by Freshfields to differentiate itself. Reality is most trainees end up doing 4-6 seats.What would you say in relation to competition for certain seats (e.g., international arbitration) at Freshfields, given the firm has an eight-seat trainee associate programme. If each intake has 40-50 trainees (two cohorts per year) and for each seat rotation, a vast majority of trainees expressed interest in wanting to do a seat in international arbitration, how would the firm navigate this? If the firm prioritised those in their second year of the TC (5th - 8th seat), would it be possible that by the time a 1st seat trainee goes through their entire training contract, the vast majority of trainees in their cohort will have experienced at least 3 months (one seat) in the international arbitration practice? To my understanding, Freshfields allows people to double up on a seat (6 months), so would this give those people an advantage over those that only did 3 months?
When it comes to qualification, would it be possible that there would be a significant number of trainees (out of 40-50) who were interested in qualifying into international arbitration (given they’d probably experienced it at least once during their TC)? Would this then mean it’s more competitive at a firm like Freshfields to enter a practice like international arbitration compared to a firm like Debevoise which has a standard four seat TC rotation and one trainee intake/qualifying period, with a smaller intake of around 10 trainees? Im just wondering that if I were to apply for the WVS at a firm like Freshfields next application cycle, would I find it harder to experience seats of interest and qualify into a practice area of interest compared to a US firm with a smaller cohort of trainees.
amazing thank youI think applications normally open in Sept for each year and most Open Days take place around Nov/Dec.
Some VS applications open in Aug for WVS and close in Sept (A&O Shearman, Ashurst, Freshfields, etc). 🙂
Spring and Summer VS applications normally open in Sept/Oct and close in Dec/Jan. 🙂
In my experience, it was strange when there was a second year uni student. Most of the people there were either 3rd year law students or graduatesQuestion for anyone who has been to an AC/VS who is not a second year uni student:
Have you ever been questioned by fellow applicants about your age/the fact that you're 'older'/'later in progress' than they are?
My reason for asking is that I had an experience where my peers (all in their second year of uni + i was passed that) were bewildered by my age etc. It was quite tricky fending off questions about why I was 'still' applying/hadn't had any success. It was obviously quite demoralising for myself to handle but I pulled through.
Perhaps it was just that they happened to be young and innocent - unaware of the reality that many people don't get VS/TCs in their second year. However, I'm worried that since I'll be adding yet another year on by next cycle, such experiences will only get worse.
Hoping for some reassurance/anecdotes about how my bad experience was an anomaly 😅
Thanks guys
Rude! Your age is none of their business.Question for anyone who has been to an AC/VS who is not a second year uni student:
Have you ever been questioned by fellow applicants about your age/the fact that you're 'older'/'later in progress' than they are?
My reason for asking is that I had an experience where my peers (all in their second year of uni + i was passed that) were bewildered by my age etc. It was quite tricky fending off questions about why I was 'still' applying/hadn't had any success. It was obviously quite demoralising for myself to handle but I pulled through.
Perhaps it was just that they happened to be young and innocent - unaware of the reality that many people don't get VS/TCs in their second year. However, I'm worried that since I'll be adding yet another year on by next cycle, such experiences will only get worse.
Hoping for some reassurance/anecdotes about how my bad experience was an anomaly 😅
Thanks guys