TCLA Vacation Scheme Applications Discussion Thread 2024-25

sammm10101

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Hi all! this might seem as a strange question, but I am currently completing my vac scheme application for White & Case and I am currently reading their annual review report from 2023. They state that they have advised clients on matters in 201 countries - how can this be possible when there is only 196 countries in the world? Of course I understand that there are nations out there that are currently not recognised by all countries but I don't think this still adds up to 201? Is anyone able to provide a logical explanation to this?
This is a complete guess but it could refer to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland etc, as they are recognised as countries but not as states. I imagine there are various other countries which are not states, ie possibly somewhere like Hong Kong or Puerto Rico, but I'm not sure if this is the methodology that W&C would use.
 

ThelawgraduateX

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This is a complete guess but it could refer to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland etc, as they are recognised as countries but not as states. I imagine there are various other countries which are not states, ie possibly somewhere like Hong Kong or Puerto Rico, but I'm not sure if this is the methodology that W&C would use.
I think you are right! thank you! it is the only reasonable explanation I can think of
 

bangarangbass39

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Hi @bangarangbass39 ! Regarding your first question, as to whether this is a respectable score, I think the short answer is yes. A 75-78% overall score should put you well-above the benchmark for most firms. However, this will not be enough to put you heads and shoulders above the crowd when recruiters assess your application + your WG performance holistically. As such, make sure to put a lot of effort into the quality of your research and writing.

As for your second question, I think this depends on how much you have been practicing up to this point and whether there are any good online resources that you have not tried yet. My main bit of advice here is to limit your reliance on purely intuitive judgement and to focus on the technical meanings of the terms describing each category. While the technical meaning has the same extension as the intuitive meaning many times, there are cases that are specifically selected in the test where the extensions differ. The ability to spot those differences is part of what will distinguish a good WG performance from a great WG performance.

When I was preparing for the WG I made a word document summarizing the meanings of the key concepts. I have copied here my Inferences section in case you find that useful:
  • True: The inference is explicit in the passage; if the inference is inferable from the passage (solely from the passage and without broader reference to general knowledge).
  • Probably True: If the statement does not directly suggest the inference is true, but suggests it is likely (>50%) to be the case; or if the inference is based on common knowledge + information in the passage.
  • More information required: Information you are asked is simply not given in the passage, with no grounds for correctly inferring the likelihood of the truth or falsity of the statement; also, generally if the inference is opinionated.
  • Probably false: if the statement does not directly suggest the inference is false, but suggests it is likely (>50%) to be the false; or if the inference is false based on common knowledge + information in the passage.
  • False: The inference directly contradicts something mentioned in the statement, or if the inference misinterprets the statement.
Without knowing more about how much preparation time you have put into this already, I would advise you to perhaps try to use the rules in these bullet points to do one or two more practice tests. After that I would probably stop, as there definitely is a point of diminishing returns with WG preparation.
Just to clarify and wrap up, I'm interested in what is considered a stand-out score. As you mentioned, my application is considered holistically so even if I do get full marks, I can still have an average written app which pulls me down, especially if the application has a greater weighting on progression. Nonetheless, I'm interested in what is considered a stand-out score (beyond full marks).

With the emphasis on percentiles for some firms, I'm worried that getting say an 83% (roughly 33 marks) could be the 50th percentile, downplaying the strength of my performance. This is an outcome you might see regularly from applicants for firms like Linklaters, just to use as an example.

The firms I'm applying to that use this test/test style are Addleshaw, Hogan Lovells, Bates Wells and CMS. From what I have read, Hogan uses a benchmark, but I'm not sure about the others.
 

andrecsaa

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    AG test isn't automatic. At least it wasn't last year. If it has changed then I am in fact wrong. In regards to how long you have, the email says until the Jan 5th deadline. However, it is strongly recommended to complete this as soon as you feel possible to do so.

    I applied for the Direct TC last cycle and they held on my app (pre test), transferring it to this current cycle. So I can only advise you to complete it as early as you can. I plan to complete it before the end of this month as I don't want to spend too much time on prepping.

    When did you apply in the last cycle? Late October?

    Yesterday I received a friendly reminder email from AG saying to submit the application asap. Working on the answer right now to submit it until the end of this week.
     

    fingersarecrossed

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    Hello
    I received an email for DLA Piper's VI on Thursday 17th.

    They sent it like this.
    The deadline to complete your assessment is 5 working days from you receiving this link, but we would encourage all candidates to complete their Video Interview as soon as they are able to.

    Does that mean my deadline is Wednesday 23rd? or should I do it by 21st?
     
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    Hello
    I received an email for DLA Piper's VI on Thursday 17th.

    They sent it like this.
    The deadline to complete your assessment is 5 working days from you receiving this link, but we would encourage all candidates to complete their Video Interview as soon as they are able to.

    Does that mean my deadline is Wednesday 23rd? or should I do it by 21st?
    Working days = Monday - Friday

    I would say you have until Thursday 24th next week. Not sure if they’d count the date they sent it as a working date. I’d submit by Tuesday 22nd to be safe.
     
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    Jessica Booker

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    If I went to an AC and I know a candidate that was turned down at the same AC, but I haven’t heard back yet, does that mean it’s likely to be positive news for me?
    It unfortunately doesn’t really mean it will be a yes or no. There can be several reasons why candidates may just hear back earlier/later than others if the decision goes either way. I am sure you will hear back sometime this coming week.
     

    Tintin06

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    It unfortunately doesn’t really mean it will be a yes or no. There can be several reasons why candidates may just hear back earlier/later than others if the decision goes either way. I am sure you will hear back sometime this coming week.
    As an applicant, I hate this. Everyone should hear simultaneously I think. That’s probably impossible. It just feels like favouritism. It’s worse after a vac scheme. Especially if you’ve waited ages already.
     
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    As an applicant, I hate this. Everyone should hear simultaneously I think. That’s probably impossible. It just feels like favouritism. It’s worse after a vac scheme. Especially if you’ve waited ages already.
    It really isn’t about favouritism.

    It literally is down to circumstance. All it takes is for an assessor to be off unexpectedly or (more typically) slammed with work and they may not get the feedback forms back to HR at the same pace as someone who could return them immediately.

    Sometimes it’s even outside of the firm’s control. I have seen offers delayed while the firms waits for an academic reference.

    If they waited for the time they could offer the last person, they would lose some of the people they could have offered earlier. It makes the recruitment process collectively more painful for both employers and candidates due to higher number of interviews, more declined offers, and people having to wait around for even longer than they have to do now.
     

    Tintin06

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    It really isn’t about favouritism.

    It literally is down to circumstance. All it takes is for an assessor to be off unexpectedly or (more typically) slammed with work and they may not get the feedback forms back to HR at the same pace as someone who could return them immediately.

    Sometimes it’s even outside of the firm’s control. I have seen offers delayed while the firms waits for an academic reference.

    If they waited for the time they could offer the last person, they would lose some of the people they could have offered earlier. It makes the recruitment process collectively more painful for both employers and candidates due to higher number of interviews, more declined offers, and people having to wait around for even longer than they have to do now.
    Maybe three months is an extreme example. How do I avoid getting frustrated by delays? I already feel like I’m playing catch up with my career and am in a hurry to start. Was it wrong to call out a firm for a three month wait post-VS?
     
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    Maybe three months is an extreme example. How do I avoid getting frustrated by delays? I already feel like I’m playing catch up with my career and am in a hurry to start. Was it wrong to call out a firm for a three month wait post-VS?
    A three month wait is excessive - I would be speaking to the firm to confirm what the status of your application/their recruitment process is if you have been waiting that long.
     
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    This was in August. They seemingly didn’t like me emailing. I copied in lots of people. Maybe that was the issue. They didn’t give me a TC. It came up in the feedback.
    Copying in lots of people was probably not the best move in all honesty - you are effectively wasting some people's time and then also showing up whoever has to make the decision to everyone you have emailed.

    I get is frustrating to wait but you should deal with the person who is your main point of contact, even if it is taking time for them to respond to you. At best copy someone else in from their team, but there is no reason to copy more than two people in to an email. In particular, avoid copying in anyone senior who was not involved in the recruitment process (e.g. head of London office/Senior Partner/Head of HR level type person) as this will not go down well at all.
     
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    Akimbo001

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    Hey everyone - hope applications are going well!

    For Bristows' application - 'Other than law, what is something you are passionate about?'

    Should I speak about something which I am really interested in - green, sustainable tech (think ZEV etc). Obviously, it's quite applicable to the firm and their clients. And it's always something I look out for in the news.

    Or is this an opportunity to show them more of my human, non-working, non-serious side? I have a passion for wood working and carpentry, but has very little to do with Bristows or the law.
     

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