I applied to Sidley and NRF for their Winter Vac schemes but am yet to hear back? Is anybody else in this position or should I take this as a rejection?
I did their open day last year. A lot of oxbridge but also a fair few from UCL and Warwick from what I can rememberDoes Latham only take Oxbridge for their open days? Do they take Mitigating circumstances into consideration?
Thank you. How many roughly on it?I did their open day last year. A lot of oxbridge but also a fair few from UCL and Warwick from what I can remember
Hi @unknownnn7372 and first of all huge congratulations for the AC 🥳! I have quoted bellow a post discussing at a more general level what you should consider in determining what questions you want to ask - I think you may find it useful. However, before that I will just list some examples off the top of my head.W&C AC! I had a question about the questions to ask during the interview, as it would be with the grad rec and an associate. What are some examples of questions that I could ask the both of them?
I would say what is best to ask depends on (i) what your interests are; (ii) who is interviewing you; and (iii) what has previously been discussed in the interview:
- Firstly, you want to ask something that you actually care about. Whoever is interviewing you likely has significant experience with the process and will therefore be able to see whether you are being genuine or just asking a question for the sake of it. Thus, when you think of a potential question, first ask yourself why do you think the answer might matter to you. In fact, I think it would be good if in the interview you mention the reason why you care about the question before you actually ask it - this will directly show the interview that you have put thought into it. An example of questions that you may choose to ask could be questions relating to your 'Why the firm' motivations. For instance, if a a strong reputation in one practice area, you may ask: how has the firm managed to build such a strong practice? what are plans for the future of the practice? are there any relevant challenges and opportunities in that practice's market, and how is the firm planning to respond to that? how can the firm's practice be differentiated from competitors with similar reputations? etc.
- Secondly, you want to tailor your question to the audience as much as possible. Some questions may be more appropriate for an associate, some for a junior partner, and some for a senior partner. For instance, questions relating to junior culture and training experience are great for associates, questions around progression and the different tasks and responsibilities at different seniority levels in the firm would be great for a junior partner, while questions about the firm's strategy, client base, and market reputation when compared to competitors would be great for the more senior partners. Moreover, you may not want to ask a disputes partner about the firm's strategy to increase market share in PE, and you may want to avoid asking a transactional partner about details of the firm's newest competition litigation mandate. If possible, tailoring your questions around your interviewer's expertise is optimal.
- Thirdly, you want for your questions to feel natural - you don't want to seem like you came in with a pre-prepared list which you were going to ask regardless of how the interview went. Of course, it is good to show that you have done your research and came prepared. However, you also want to make this section of the interview feel as conversational as possible, as for once you are playing the role of the person doing the asking. The more you can link your questions with what has been touched upon in the interview, the better. Some questions could just be follow-ups to the interviewer's answers to your pre-prepared questions. Some could be just about asking the interviewer to elaborate on some points they touched upon beforehand. However, take care to not be repetitive. Thus, only ask a question if you think it is likely there is a lot more that the interviewer could have to add to the previous discussion.
same - i'm assuming pfoIf I still haven't heard back from white and case post-application, but others have already passed the Virtual interview stage and are getting ACs, does this mean I'm in a reject pile? or do they tend to hold many ACs?
Unfortunately the rather frustrating answer here is that it depends on the specific firm. Some firms, such as Latham and Linklaters, are known to have a different assessment track for VS applicants who attended an Open Day. Anecdotally, for some other firms attending an open day does not seem to have much of an impact besides showing interaction with the firm.@Andrei Radu
How important do you think it is to attend a firm's open day? Would it significantly increase my chance of getting a VS? Thanks!
Thanks for the insight and advice. It's annoying, a couple of marks make a massive difference from a very strong score to an above-average performance.Hi @bangarangbass39 ! Regarding your first question, as to whether this is a respectable score, I think the short answer is yes. A 75-78% overall score should put you well-above the benchmark for most firms. However, this will not be enough to put you heads and shoulders above the crowd when recruiters assess your application + your WG performance holistically. As such, make sure to put a lot of effort into the quality of your research and writing.
As for your second question, I think this depends on how much you have been practicing up to this point and whether there are any good online resources that you have not tried yet. My main bit of advice here is to limit your reliance on purely intuitive judgement and to focus on the technical meanings of the terms describing each category. While the technical meaning has the same extension as the intuitive meaning many times, there are cases that are specifically selected in the test where the extensions differ. The ability to spot those differences is part of what will distinguish a good WG performance from a great WG performance.
When I was preparing for the WG I made a word document summarizing the meanings of the key concepts. I have copied here my Inferences section in case you find that useful:
Without knowing more about how much preparation time you have put into this already, I would advise you to perhaps try to use the rules in these bullet points to do one or two more practice tests. After that I would probably stop, as there definitely is a point of diminishing returns with WG preparation.
- True: The inference is explicit in the passage; if the inference is inferable from the passage (solely from the passage and without broader reference to general knowledge).
- Probably True: If the statement does not directly suggest the inference is true, but suggests it is likely (>50%) to be the case; or if the inference is based on common knowledge + information in the passage.
- More information required: Information you are asked is simply not given in the passage, with no grounds for correctly inferring the likelihood of the truth or falsity of the statement; also, generally if the inference is opinionated.
- Probably false: if the statement does not directly suggest the inference is false, but suggests it is likely (>50%) to be the false; or if the inference is false based on common knowledge + information in the passage.
- False: The inference directly contradicts something mentioned in the statement, or if the inference misinterprets the statement.
Unfortunately it is impossible to tell if they have simply not yet considered your application or considered it and determined an outcome but have simply failed to communicate it yet. However, I would not be too quick to assume rejection, as W&C is known to host multiple ACs throughout the cycle. Last year, for instance, I knew someone who only received their VI invite a month after I received mine and still ended up invited for an AC and then a VS.If I still haven't heard back from white and case post-application, but others have already passed the Virtual interview stage and are getting ACs, does this mean I'm in a reject pile? or do they tend to hold many ACs?
Given the extent of your WG practice, I would again advise you to maybe do one or two practice tests more at most to test your performance with a more technical-focused strategy. Beyond that, as I think applications (and to an extent WG performances) are in big part a number's game, I would simply focus on submitting as many high-quality applications as possible.Thanks for the insight and advice. It's annoying, a couple of marks make a massive difference from a very strong score to an above-average performance.
Your breakdown is incredibly helpful. I've completed 2 official WGs already. Before that, I completed a significant amount of VR and WG practice tests with Graduate First as prep.
i havent yetHi, did you complete it? What kind of questions were asked and how long did they give for preparation and speaking?
This is a complete guess but it could refer to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland etc, as they are recognised as countries but not as states. I imagine there are various other countries which are not states, ie possibly somewhere like Hong Kong or Puerto Rico, but I'm not sure if this is the methodology that W&C would use.Hi all! this might seem as a strange question, but I am currently completing my vac scheme application for White & Case and I am currently reading their annual review report from 2023. They state that they have advised clients on matters in 201 countries - how can this be possible when there is only 196 countries in the world? Of course I understand that there are nations out there that are currently not recognised by all countries but I don't think this still adds up to 201? Is anyone able to provide a logical explanation to this?
I think you are right! thank you! it is the only reasonable explanation I can think ofThis is a complete guess but it could refer to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland etc, as they are recognised as countries but not as states. I imagine there are various other countries which are not states, ie possibly somewhere like Hong Kong or Puerto Rico, but I'm not sure if this is the methodology that W&C would use.
Legend, thanks for answering all of my questions.No, yes, yes
Just to clarify and wrap up, I'm interested in what is considered a stand-out score. As you mentioned, my application is considered holistically so even if I do get full marks, I can still have an average written app which pulls me down, especially if the application has a greater weighting on progression. Nonetheless, I'm interested in what is considered a stand-out score (beyond full marks).Hi @bangarangbass39 ! Regarding your first question, as to whether this is a respectable score, I think the short answer is yes. A 75-78% overall score should put you well-above the benchmark for most firms. However, this will not be enough to put you heads and shoulders above the crowd when recruiters assess your application + your WG performance holistically. As such, make sure to put a lot of effort into the quality of your research and writing.
As for your second question, I think this depends on how much you have been practicing up to this point and whether there are any good online resources that you have not tried yet. My main bit of advice here is to limit your reliance on purely intuitive judgement and to focus on the technical meanings of the terms describing each category. While the technical meaning has the same extension as the intuitive meaning many times, there are cases that are specifically selected in the test where the extensions differ. The ability to spot those differences is part of what will distinguish a good WG performance from a great WG performance.
When I was preparing for the WG I made a word document summarizing the meanings of the key concepts. I have copied here my Inferences section in case you find that useful:
Without knowing more about how much preparation time you have put into this already, I would advise you to perhaps try to use the rules in these bullet points to do one or two more practice tests. After that I would probably stop, as there definitely is a point of diminishing returns with WG preparation.
- True: The inference is explicit in the passage; if the inference is inferable from the passage (solely from the passage and without broader reference to general knowledge).
- Probably True: If the statement does not directly suggest the inference is true, but suggests it is likely (>50%) to be the case; or if the inference is based on common knowledge + information in the passage.
- More information required: Information you are asked is simply not given in the passage, with no grounds for correctly inferring the likelihood of the truth or falsity of the statement; also, generally if the inference is opinionated.
- Probably false: if the statement does not directly suggest the inference is false, but suggests it is likely (>50%) to be the false; or if the inference is false based on common knowledge + information in the passage.
- False: The inference directly contradicts something mentioned in the statement, or if the inference misinterprets the statement.