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TCLA Vacation Scheme Applications Discussion Thread 2024-25

Parsorandini

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Hi everyone. Random question but hoping that someone with experience with law firm recruiters can help me out here. (@Jessica Booker ?) I am answering a question that asks about my hobbies and interests. I have put football and travel, but want to stand out a bit more and so am thinking of writing about my love of poker. It uses a lot of skills that employers may like (creative thinking, calm under pressure etc). I am just wondering if this is a good idea at all (I do not want to seem irresponsible with money even though I haven't been haha) and if I can mention it, how deep I should go? I would mention that I co-founded the poker society at my university, but do I mention the large online tournaments I have won and the study groups I have joined and networking I have done through the game? I am worried it is too risky. Thanks in advance :)
 

Jessica Booker

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Hi everyone. Random question but hoping that someone with experience with law firm recruiters can help me out here. (@Jessica Booker ?) I am answering a question that asks about my hobbies and interests. I have put football and travel, but want to stand out a bit more and so am thinking of writing about my love of poker. It uses a lot of skills that employers may like (creative thinking, calm under pressure etc). I am just wondering if this is a good idea at all (I do not want to seem irresponsible with money even though I haven't been haha) and if I can mention it, how deep I should go? I would mention that I co-founded the poker society at my university, but do I mention the large online tournaments I have won and the study groups I have joined and networking I have done through the game? I am worried it is too risky. Thanks in advance :)
This is fine to include - have seen people mention poker in applications before and I think the fact you have set up the society is the key selling point you have to highlight. You can also mention the larger tournaments you have won too.
 

Kay Aston

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Has anyone got an idea on how to approach BCLP's VS question of,
What is your understanding of how a business generates and maintains a profit? (Please provide examples)

Max 500 words


Seems like it can be appraoched in any number of ways. Are the examples they are wanting any businesses, or law firms specfically?
Hey @adrk1234! You are right that this can be approached in a number of ways. I think that law firms sometimes ask questions like this just to see what approach you might take, so feel free to be creative! To your question, I think you could talk about law firms or businesses or both, but bear in mind what they want to see from you, which is that you understand the commerciality of law firms and their clients. How do clients make money, and as a result, how do law firms make money? This is an element of commercial awareness which is often overlooked, but is very important to be able to articulate for interviews etc. further down the road!

My approach would be to pick two or three (depending on how you are doing for word count) things that you think are fundamental to a business generating and maintaining profit, and then support them with examples from either a law firm perspective or a client perspective. If you can find examples from BCLP clients then that would also be a nice touch.

For example, some initial ideas:

How businesses generate profit:
  • Innovation: How innovation generates profits is an easy one to articulate, and you could use examples of companies such as Apple, or if you want to be more specific to BCLP i'm sure you wouldn't struggle to find a client who has done something innovative (Deliveroo, etc...)
  • Expanding market share: Businesses often need to take up increasing market share in order to grow, you can use this to talk about any M&A, IPO, or other equity deals that BCLP may have helped their clients with which take your interest.
  • Diversification: This could really go into generate or maintain, depending on how you look at it. But an example would be Tesco (a BCLP client) diversifying their business model by creating Tesco Bank
How businesses maintain profit:
  • Reputation: Consumers and investors are increasingly concerned with social and ethical impacts of businesses, and this will affect how companies implement ESG & DEI strategies, and in turn how they maintain profit over competitors. You could, for example, talk about a deal by BCLP's renewables team, and highlight how businesses transitioning to sustainable practices enables them to maintain profits in the long run.
  • Risk management & compliance: Businesses need to ensure they are managing and mitigating risks in order to protect their bottom line. Law firms help immeasurably with this in terms of regulatory compliance, avoiding litigation and penalties etc.

If you wanted to be even more BCLP-centric, you could try to locate some examples focusing on real estate, as this is their main specialism and will show that you understand the firm and the needs of their clients. A great resource to find client names and deals is the Legal 500.

These are just some ideas, but hopefully have given you an idea of how to go about structuring your answer. Let me know if you have any questions at all!
 

AlegalA

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Quick question - Last year, I copy-pasted my work experience description from my CV (between 50-100 words based on the experience), but I'm seeing some people on here really develop these descriptions (600w?).
Are recruiters expecting us to explain these in depth, or are bullet points around responsibilities and skills enough? Thank you!
 

sammm10101

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Quick question - Last year, I copy-pasted my work experience description from my CV (between 50-100 words based on the experience), but I'm seeing some people on here really develop these descriptions (600w?).
Are recruiters expecting us to explain these in depth, or are bullet points around responsibilities and skills enough? Thank you!
I've seen on a couple applications forms (I think, don't quote me on this!) that they want the experience written in full prose. However, I have never come close to 600 words per an entry, and mine are much closer to the 50-100 words. For bigger roles I think I have written up to 175 words-ish. Someone feel free to correct me though!
 
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Jessica Booker

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Quick question - Last year, I copy-pasted my work experience description from my CV (between 50-100 words based on the experience), but I'm seeing some people on here really develop these descriptions (600w?).
Are recruiters expecting us to explain these in depth, or are bullet points around responsibilities and skills enough? Thank you!
I’d write in full prose rather than bullet points, but the descriptions don’t need to be more extensive than your CV in terms of what you are highlighting, it just needs to be joined up a little more.

I wouldn’t expect many work experience entries to be 600 words. I’d say an average is 250-300 but some short placements or roles with limited responsibilities would probably need less than 150.
 
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Jessica Booker

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If my application has been succesful last year, can I copy and paste it again?
You can, but I think this is a risky approach to take.

You can’t assume because your application was successful last year, it will be again.

It also means that there is no recent evidence of the things you have done. You will want to show you have been actively pursuing the career and/or developing your skills since your last application.

I would always recommend people update and refine their application. Even reviewing what you have written previously with a fresh pair of eyes will potentially identify how you would write something differently.

The point I used to make to people was if your application form is identical, there is a strong chance the outcome will be identical as well. And the overall outcome last time was that you weren’t successful, so you want to try and present why it would be different this time around.
 

bollingdale

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Curious about SJT A&O feedback, what kind of things did people get, is it possible to get a perfect score in terms of the assessment qualities?
I'd be curious to know what people are able to get?
Below is each section with the relevant quoted section from the feedback. Also, I have demonstrated some of the skills that the SJT said i'm weak at elsewhere in the application, so I'm just curious to get a sense of how its assessed. Do I still have a chance of getting through to the next stage?

Strengths​

  • Applied Verbal Intellect: "This is an area where you excelled, demonstrating a natural ability to work with the verbal information presented to you."
  • Applied Numerical Intellect: "This is an area where you excelled, demonstrating a natural ability to work with the numerical information presented to you."
  • Collaboration: "This is an area where you demonstrated a good level of potential. In doing so, you worked with others in an approachable and open manner, communicated in a timely manner when work might not have been delivered on time, as well as making some good judgements about when input was needed from others."
  • Intellectual Curiosity: "This is an area where you demonstrated a good level of potential across the situations presented to you. In doing so, you looked at the wider context in order to understand why things are done, and in most instances, asked intelligent questions to close gaps in your understanding as well as challenging yourself to get to grips with new areas of law."
  • Resilience: "This is an area where you demonstrated a good level of potential across the situations presented to you. In doing so, you thought clearly and kept an objective perspective in the face of the deadlines presented to you as well as, in some instances, moving forward with composure after certain challenges came your way."

Areas for Development​

  • Adaptability: "This is an area that you would really benefit developing further in. The situations you experienced were an opportunity for you to quickly switch your focus depending on the developing situation, as well as obtaining information on your own before asking for help. In the responses you selected, you missed several opportunities to demonstrate these key capabilities."
  • Drive and Motivation: "This is an area that you would really benefit from developing further in. The situations presented to you were an opportunity to take ownership of the element of the project you were involved in, delivering work to an excellent standard in terms of content and presentation, as well as taking personal responsibility to deliver work on time. In the responses you selected, you didn’t always demonstrate these key capabilities."
  • Organisation: "This is an area where there is a clear opportunity for you to develop further. The situations you encountered were a real opportunity for you respond positively in relation to short time frames by planning your approach, as well as creating effective plans to complete your work, including putting review points and contingency plans in place. In the responses you selected, you missed several opportunities to demonstrate these skills."
 
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    Curious about SJT A&O feedback, what kind of things did people get, is it possible to get a perfect score in terms of the assessment qualities?
    I'd be curious to know what people are able to get?
    Below is each section with the relevant quoted section from the feedback. Also, I have demonstrated some of the skills that the SJT said i'm weak at elsewhere in the application, so I'm just curious to get a sense of how its assessed. Do I still have a chance of getting through to the next stage?

    Strengths​

    • Applied Verbal Intellect: "This is an area where you excelled, demonstrating a natural ability to work with the verbal information presented to you."
    • Applied Numerical Intellect: "This is an area where you excelled, demonstrating a natural ability to work with the numerical information presented to you."
    • Collaboration: "This is an area where you demonstrated a good level of potential. In doing so, you worked with others in an approachable and open manner, communicated in a timely manner when work might not have been delivered on time, as well as making some good judgements about when input was needed from others."
    • Intellectual Curiosity: "This is an area where you demonstrated a good level of potential across the situations presented to you. In doing so, you looked at the wider context in order to understand why things are done, and in most instances, asked intelligent questions to close gaps in your understanding as well as challenging yourself to get to grips with new areas of law."
    • Resilience: "This is an area where you demonstrated a good level of potential across the situations presented to you. In doing so, you thought clearly and kept an objective perspective in the face of the deadlines presented to you as well as, in some instances, moving forward with composure after certain challenges came your way."

    Areas for Development​

    • Adaptability: "This is an area that you would really benefit developing further in. The situations you experienced were an opportunity for you to quickly switch your focus depending on the developing situation, as well as obtaining information on your own before asking for help. In the responses you selected, you missed several opportunities to demonstrate these key capabilities."
    • Drive and Motivation: "This is an area that you would really benefit from developing further in. The situations presented to you were an opportunity to take ownership of the element of the project you were involved in, delivering work to an excellent standard in terms of content and presentation, as well as taking personal responsibility to deliver work on time. In the responses you selected, you didn’t always demonstrate these key capabilities."
    • Organisation: "This is an area where there is a clear opportunity for you to develop further. The situations you encountered were a real opportunity for you respond positively in relation to short time frames by planning your approach, as well as creating effective plans to complete your work, including putting review points and contingency plans in place. In the responses you selected, you missed several opportunities to demonstrate these skills."
    This is interesting. I mostly got “good level of potential” and “some good level of judgement”. They didn’t split mine up into strengths and areas for development like yours.
     

    cleojwilliams

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    A&O Shearman SJT feedback basically said I have mid drive, motivation, and resilience.

    I’ve been pursuing this career for like 5 years. Maybe after 10 years I’ll get ‘good’ ratings lol…do
    Did it say you had som good responses but there were areas you could improve on? Surely if you excelled and did well in other areas you should be fine? I’m saying that because I got that response for organisation, adaptability and collaboration so I’m hoping it doesn’t ruin my chances
     

    bollingdale

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    What were the questions like for the A and O Shearman VI?
    I think for some of them its a bit ambiguous and there isn't a clear 'correct' answer. I get the feeling that these ones are so they get a sense of your personal key assessment qualities, like "will you show adaptability here, or resilience, or organisation, or drive and motivation'

    Im not sure if its possible to perfectly represent all of the skills in the multiple choice section.
     

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