TCLA Vacation Scheme Applications Discussion Thread 2024-25

Simi.O

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Hey guys, I had my W&C VI last week, and in between answering a question, I started mumbling a bit and froze. I havent been able to forgive myself since then, because I know how much it took me to get to that point, and I essentially feel like I fumbled the bag. I havent heard back, and every time my mail app sends a notification, my heart skips a beat. How do I forgive myself for this
 

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    I have been spending some time with the bane of my existence - the W*tson Gl*ser (censored in case anyone else is scared of it as much as i am)
    I'd love to hear some thoughts on this assumptions question:

    Statement - "[Dessert] restaurant must fill its ten missing staff posts as soon as possible. Otherwise, [Dessert restaurant] will be unable to cope with this summer’s influx of tourist customers."

    'Assumption' - "There will be more customers this summer."

    Now, apparently, the assumption is made. Maybe I'm overthinking this (is that not a good thing?) but I thought that an increase in 'tourist' customers is not the same as an increase in 'customers'. The restaurant might have an increase in 'tourist customers' but it is still possible that other kinds of customer demographics decrease, meaning that the total customers is the same or even might decrease.

    I wish that there was a text box option in the watson glaser just so our reasoning (even if wrong) could be explained...
    Please help!

    Edit - also quick q for @Andrei Radu - I think you mentioned in a post that you made a Watson Glaser guide for yourself when taking the test. Would you by any chance be able to share that with us? Thank you :)
     
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    user9809

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    I have been spending some time with the bane of my existence - the W*tson Gl*ser (censored in case anyone else is scared of it as much as i am)
    I'd love to hear some thoughts on this assumptions question:

    Statement - "[Dessert] restaurant must fill its ten missing staff posts as soon as possible. Otherwise, [Dessert restaurant] will be unable to cope with this summer’s influx of tourist customers."

    'Assumption' - "There will be more customers this summer."

    Now, apparently, the assumption is made. Maybe I'm overthinking this (is that not a good thing?) but I thought that an increase in 'tourist' customers is not the same as an increase in 'customers'. The restaurant might have an increase in 'tourist customers' but it is still possible that other kinds of customer demographics decrease, meaning that the total customers is the same or even might decrease.

    I wish that there was a text box option in the watson glaser just so our reasoning (even if wrong) could be explained...
    Please help!

    Edit - also quick q for @Andrei Radu - I think you mentioned in a post that you made a Watson Glaser guide for yourself when taking the test. Would you by any chance be able to share that with us? Thank you :)
    It’s assumption made. I think you were overthinking it with the tourist part. I would take customers as anyone making a purchase and not separate them out.
     
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    ashwright

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    It’s assumption made. I think you were overthinking it with the tourist part. I would take customers as anyone making a purchase and not separate them out.
    Thank you for clearing that up for me - I really appreciate it. I have a tendancy to overthink the test and it's definitely been my downfall. I guess I need to find a balance.

    edit: Same thing happened when I even read an example question for the inferences bit.

    The sentence roughly said "Students discussed [topic 1] and [topic 2], because they thought they were important"; the next 'inference' was that 'students discussed [topic 3]'. The correct answer was 'false' but I would've put 'probably false' - i thought false should have been completely impossible. The sentence didn't necessarily exclude the discussion of other topics - it just said that certain topics weren't...
    Hopefully, I'll get the hang of this at some point 😂
     
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    SamiyaJ

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    Has anyone done horribly in the Watson Glasser test for Linklakers? I did loads of practice ones and was scoring 65-75% percentile, but I just asked for my results and I scored in the 11th!!! I am so so confused and embarrassed honestly.
    I received mine and I was in the 71% percentile but still got rejected!
     
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    AS24

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    Hey @AS24 just to jump in before @Ram Sabaratnam and @Amma Usman come back to you, I think since the question does not ask for it explicitly, you do not need to mention how HL could help them. However, if you can, I think it is desirable to do so.

    Firstly, the context in which commercial awareness is a useful skill to have in a law firm is exactly that - an ability to connect events impacting clients' businesses with what the firm can do to assist them as a result. This is a direct benefit for the firm, as it is a way to generate more revenues from client mandates and also deepen an existing client relationship. As such, in general I think it makes sense to keep this in mind when interpreting a commercial awareness question. When there is any ambiguity in whether we should add this to the analysis, I have therefore chosen to read this element into the questions.

    Secondly, I think the specific request for you to identify one of the firm's clients rather than just any business shows that the firm wants to do more than simply test your general ability to analyze a commercial a story. Simply being able to name one of the firm's clients as part of a category of affected businesses and then going on with a normal general commercial analysis does not add much. As such, I would read into this specific link made with the firm a suggestion that you should add a layer of analysis as to the potential role of the firm in this story.

    Finally, I think you should also consider this issue with a view to the downside/upside risk. In the event that the firm did not want you to discuss its potential role in advising a client, it is unlikely this will do much to hurt your progression chances. At most, recruiters would see you as a slightly overeager candidate who wanted to show he can make a connection between the commercial story and the firm's practices. However, in the event that the firm does want you to write about its role and you fail to do so, you will have missed out on scoring well in a key criterion of evaluation.
    Thank you @Andrei Radu

    You clarified all my doubts and I can keep my answer without changing it!
     

    Optimistic1111

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    I received mine and I was in the 71% percentile but still got rejected!
    Congrats on the score! I'd imagine perhaps it's a very competitive year, maybe quite a few are scoring high and it seems like from this thread they are allowing others on the summer/spring vacs also. Can I ask, how did you prepare for the WG test and how much preparation time did you dedicate? This is my first year applying for vac schemes.
     

    SamiyaJ

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    Congrats on the score! I'd imagine perhaps it's a very competitive year, maybe quite a few are scoring high and it seems like from this thread they are allowing others on the summer/spring vacs also. Can I ask, how did you prepare for the WG test and how much preparation time did you dedicate? This is my first year applying for vac schemes.
    Thank you! But genuinely think I am the worst person to ask for help as I always fail at this stage. I practised on JobTestPrep; watched a few YouTube videos about the inferences and deductions (I still get confused! But there has been some great advice on the forum about this) and also AllAboutLaw have a complete practice test you can practice for free.

    I was surprised to receive this score but I think it’s all about practice. It’s also my first proper cycle of applying for vac schemes so spend as much time as you can practising- even 30 minutes a day. Hope that helps!
     
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    Optimistic1111

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    Thank you! But genuinely think I am the worst person to ask for help as I always fail at this stage. I practised on JobTestPrep; watched a few YouTube videos about the inferences and deductions (I still get confused! But there has been some great advice on the forum about this) and also AllAboutLaw have a complete practice test you can practice for free.

    I was surprised to receive this score but I think it’s all about practice. It’s also my first proper cycle of applying for vac schemes so spend as much time as you can practising- even 30 minutes a day. Hope that helps!
    This is so helpful, thank you! Going to try and just do them daily and actually try to make sure I understand them lol. I was feeling confident after all my practice tests but I guess now I know what the outcome will be so I can just move on from it.
     
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