TCLA Vacation Scheme Applications Discussion Thread 2024-25

[Amma Usman]

Hi guys. If I really like a firm but I have missed their open day are there any other ways to find out more about them? I have messaged some trainees on LinkedIn and received no reply, not sure if it's because they are too busy or something wrong with my message. I'm wondering if I will be disadvantaged if I apply to their vs without having attended any of their events... This is so annoying. Does anyone have any suggestions? Any advice would be really appreciated!

Hey there! From personal experience and general industry traits, you really don’t need to have gone to an event at a firm to succeed in applying to them. You may have gone to one by another firm (maybe an online webinar or an open day) and reference similarities in their work, which sparked your interest for a particular practice area - for example. You may have had a chat with a lawyer that works at X firm who told you about X, and state this in your application, linking to more specifics from your portfolio. There are so many things you could talk about, which don’t have to be in relation to the firm’s events. They certainly do help, but are in no way a prerequisite to an offer!

Best wishes with the applications! You’ll do great!

 

[Gin]

Honestly, don't stress it. In the three cycles of apps I've done so far, I've had 4 ACs and have now obtained 3 VS' (one in first cycle, two in this one) and none of them were with firms I attended an Open Day for.

Instead, I use Legal Cheek, Chambers Student Guide, Legal500 and the firm's website for my research. Note that some firms do not have either a Legal Cheek or Chambers page, but normally have at least one. Then, you can use what you find in that research to search further - eg if you see a client on the Legal500 then can research further into the work they did for them.

Open Days are good, but they're DEFINITELY not a make or break.

THANK YOU SO MUCH That makes me feel a lot better! Would you mind sharing what points would you definitely address in the application form (like a recent deal, a practice area, or other things unique about the firm)? I sometimes get a bit lost when seeing so much info and don't really know what are firms really looking for. 😭

 

[Gin]

Hey there! From personal experience and general industry traits, you really don’t need to have gone to an event at a firm to succeed in applying to them. You may have gone to one by another firm (maybe an online webinar or an open day) and reference similarities in their work, which sparked your interest for a particular practice area - for example. You may have had a chat with a lawyer that works at X firm who told you about X, and state this in your application, linking to more specifics from your portfolio. There are so many things you could talk about, which don’t have to be in relation to the firm’s events. They certainly do help, but are in no way a prerequisite to an offer!

Best wishes with the applications! You’ll do great!

Thanks that's really helpful!

 

[VMS]

THANK YOU SO MUCH That makes me feel a lot better! Would you mind sharing what points would you definitely address in the application form (like a recent deal, a practice area, or other things unique about the firm)? I sometimes get a bit lost when seeing so much info and don't really know what are firms really looking for. 😭

I've PM'd you

 

[Amma Usman]

In a recent assessment centre, I was asked about the biggest opportunities and challenges facing the firm. I'm curious to know how others would have responded to this question as I think the response that I have was vague and broad.

This is a really cool question. If I were to answer it during my cycle, I would probably touch on some of the following (which are still prevalent)…

Opportunities

1. Middle East & Asia-Pacific expansion (Growing deal activity, sovereign wealth funds)

2. Private credit & direct lending (Firms / traditional banks)

3. Energy transition & renewables (Legal work in green investments)

4. AI-driven efficiency (Automating due diligence, contract review)

5. Strengthening key client sectors (Tech, healthcare, private equity focus)


Challenges

1. Geopolitical risks (Sanctions, trade restrictions, supply chain issues)

2. Regulatory shifts (Stricter rules in financial services, ESG disclosures)

3. US firms’ talent hiring (Salary wars, talent retention)

4. AI commoditising legal tasks (Lower fees for routine work)

5. Client demand for value (Push for alternative fee structures, efficiency)

 

[Katy12345]

Congrats! What office?

Thank you and Manchester! I hope you hear soon 😃

 

[NMA]

@Jessica Booker Hi Jessica, just wanted some advice if possible. Do law firms care at all about what you do prior to starting the SQE/TC? I am scheduled to do the SQE February 2026 and start the TC the February after. Now I just have this massive year long gap between now and studying the SQE. Many people have advised that I should travel/enjoy this amount of time since I'll never have this much free time again and I'll be stuck in an office doing silly hours for my legal career, but travelling for that long period of time is not feasible for me. I've currently been working in an admin role unrelated to law since October, but it is stressful and uninteresting. I would like to leave to improve my mental health, and I'm fortunate enough to not have to rely on this role. If I do this, and if I don't go in any sort of employment between now and next Feb, would this be detrimental going forward in your experience?

 

[johnnn821]

Hey everyone, I have a first-stage interview for a paralegal position at a firm where I’ve also applied for a vacation scheme (which is still under consideration). I’m very interested in the firm, and since the paralegal role is fixed-term, I’d ideally like to be considered for the vac scheme. However, I’m unsure how to approach this. Has anyone been in a similar situation? The interview will be conducted by someone from the Early Careers team, so they might already be aware of my vac scheme application. Do you think this could impact my chances? Any advice would be much appreciated! I am very conflicted.

 

[dlc3266]

Anyone heard back from Paul Weiss this week?

 

[jta227]

@Jessica Booker Hi Jessica, just wanted some advice if possible. Do law firms care at all about what you do prior to starting the SQE/TC? I am scheduled to do the SQE February 2026 and start the TC the February after. Now I just have this massive year long gap between now and studying the SQE. Many people have advised that I should travel/enjoy this amount of time since I'll never have this much free time again and I'll be stuck in an office doing silly hours for my legal career, but travelling for that long period of time is not feasible for me. I've currently been working in an admin role unrelated to law since October, but it is stressful and uninteresting. I would like to leave to improve my mental health, and I'm fortunate enough to not have to rely on this role. If I do this, and if I don't go in any sort of employment between now and next Feb, would this be detrimental going forward in your experience?

If you want a break I'd work part time personally. I wouldn't just do "nothing" the whole year. Hopefully working part time + using annual leave for a nice holiday would improve your mental health! The answer to "do they care" as such is not really - nothing is going to happen if you don't work, you've already got the TC. Depending on where your TC is/how they select seats as well, getting some experience in an area in which you want to do a seat in/qualify in might tip the scales slightly, especially where a seat is competitive.

 

[F2020202]

Hey! Does anyone know if Linklaters is still giving out AC invites or is it safe to assume a rejection

 

[Andrei Radu]

@Andrei Radu
Hi Andrei, your posts have been so helpful through my application process - thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate it.
I was wondering if you could help my with Sidley Austin and its competitors. I understand that they have big focus on finance and private equity - especially given their growth of private equity practice. Would I be right in saying their competitors would be Kirkland, Simpsons, Weil and Paul Weiss?
What is their wider reputation?
Thank you.

I would describe Sidley in London as a medium-sized outfit of an elite US firm with strengths in a suite of transactional and advisory practices. While it is undoubtably one of the most prestigious firms in the US, it currently is and historically has trailed the traditional V10 firms (Wachtell, Cravath, Simpson, Sullivan, Davis Polk, Paul Weiss, Skadden, Latham, Kirkland, Gibson Dunn) in terms of profitability. However, many see it as "leading the pack" of the immediate next tier; and indeed, being more similar to them than the rest of the firms in the V20. Thus, if I were to name Sidley's London competitors in terms of "type of firm" and general reputation, I would list Milbank, Cleary Gottlieb, Gibson Dunn, and Paul Hastings.

However, in many cases it is more informative to look at competitors on an individual practice area basis. Here, looking at Sidley's best ranked departments in London I would list the following:

• Banking and Finance (Sponsors): Kirkland, Latham, Simpson, Weil, Paul Weiss.
• Corporate M&A: Latham, Skadden, Cleary, Davis Polk, Sullivan & Cromwell.
• Private Equity: although (quite surprisingly) Sidley isn't ranked for PE, since I know it is very focused on this practice area, I thought to mention some of its potential competitors here as well. The rivals with the highest regarded PE practices would indeed be the likes of Kirkland, Latham, and Simson Thatcher. However, given that Sidley's PE offering doesn't seam to boast of the same size and recognition, it might make more sense to think of the likes of Willkie, Ropes & Gray, and Gibson Dunn as competitors (since they also target the middle to high end segment and have relatively smaller teams).
• Debt Capital Markets: White & Case, Cleary, Sullivan & Cromwell, Davis Polk, Akin.
• Life Sciences (Regulatory): Arnold & Porter, Covington, Hogan Lovells.

 

[mmm918]

I've PM'd you

Hi - would you mind also sharing with me? I am also struggling with what to write in an application. Thank. you!

 

[Andrei Radu]

Quick question for @Amma Usman @Andrei Radu @Ram Sabaratnam and anyone else:

Which firms do not use at least one of the following in their screening:
- Watson Glaser
- SJT/Arctic Shores/other behavioural test
- Video Interview

I vaguely recall that Slaughters(?) doesn't use any of the above, instead just relying on CVs for invites to ACs. Are there any other similarly streamlined application processes? I'm guessing the corollary of not having the above is a stricter focus on grades and/or written 'why X' questions.

Thank you!

I know Slaughters definitely does not have any of the above and that Davis Polk does not either. Besides that I know that Milbank does not have any of those up until the AC stage (as part of the overall AC assessment I had to complete a WG test).

 

[Rus]

The post AC wait makes me wanna crash out

 

[Chris Brown]

Could someone please explain the difference between debt finance and equity finance and what the relative advantages and disadvantages are of each type of financing (in the context of PE), but in a way that would be digestible to a lay person. Why would one be chosen over the other? I’m trying to get my head around it and my brain is simply not willing to co-operate with me at all. Please help. 🥲🥲

@Andrei Radu @Amma Usman @Ram Sabaratnam​

 

[Andrei Radu]

I have an interview with a small firm. Is it okay to reach out to a trainee and ask about the firm over a phone call or would it be used as trying to get an unfair advantage?

As long as you do not ask about the specific questions the trainee got in their interview it should be fine. Just ensure you ask the trainee in an appropriate manner: show you are mindful of their busy schedules and that you appreciate them taking the the time to speak with you. In terms of questions you could ask that could give you some insight into the interview without crossing the threshold of unfairness, I would consider some of the following:

• How would you advise me to prepare for the interview?
• Was your interview more focused on competency questions or technical/commercial questions?
• What traits do you think the interviewing partners look for in candidates?
• What do you think are the most important criteria a candidate's performance is assessed on?
• Are there any easy to make mistakes you would advise me to avoid in the interview?

 

[mariistm]

Finally got round to do WBD test, 6479, that 4 for applied intellect is giving me stress but hopefully enough to move forward 🫠

 

[👩🎓]

For people that applied to PMC but have not heard back - what is the "last update" date for your application on their website? Mine is 04/01, which is the day after the deadline, and idk if that just means they processed my app or if it means they had my answer of PFO/next stage on the 4th?? (In which case it's deffo a PFO but could've been informed ages ago)

I did email them regarding an update about a week and a half ago and haven't heard back so they might still be considering applications 🤞

 

[Andrei Radu]

Could someone please explain the difference between debt finance and equity finance and what the relative advantages and disadvantages are of each type of financing (in the context of PE), but in a way that would be digestible to a lay person. Why would one be chosen over the other? I’m trying to get my head around it and my brain is simply not willing to co-operate with me at all. Please help. 🥲🥲

@Andrei Radu @Amma Usman @Ram Sabaratnam​

The basic distinction is that with debt financing a company will borrow money from a lender and will in return make a promise to return the initial borrowed sum + an agreed upon interest. With equity financing, the company gets money from an investor but never has to pay the investor back in return. Instead, in exchange for the money the investor gets equity in the company, which is just another term for shares in the company/a percentage of the ownership of the company. Equity financing always takes place when a private company goes public, in that the company issues shares to the public through an IPO and in exchange gets capital which can be used for further growth. However, equity company can also be used by a private company in a private transaction, when existing shareholders agree to sell a part of their shares or issue new shares to a particular investor/group of investors.

To look in more detail at debt financing, the main two methods to obtain it are loans (normally taken from a bank) and bonds (which can be issued to any investors). The difference is that loans normally have to be repaid on a monthly period (the borrower pays a proportional part of the total borrowed sum + interest) while with bonds, the issuer (ie the company that borrowed the money) only has to make the interest payments on a regular basis - the initial borrowed sum (or "the principal") is paid all at once at the end of the agreed upon repayment period (the "maturity date"). While there are a number of other differences that are relevant in assessing the pros/cons of using loans or bonds, for the sake of comparison with equity financing I will look at only advantages and disadvantages that equally apply to both. It should be noted however that in PE generally and for buyouts in particular PE firms normally use highly leveraged loans. Essentially, to minimize the amount of investor capital spent on any transaction (and thus to maximize the total number of profitable transactions a given fund can enter into), a PE firm will normally finance around 75-80% of the cost of a buyout by getting a loan from a bank and then offering as security the assets of the target company itself.

Now, to list some of the main advantages of debt financing I can think of:

• Allows the company (and the controlling PE firm) to keep compete control of the target company. This is particularly important for the PE firm to be able to implement its growth/efficiency improvement plans and its desired exit strategy.
• Allows the PE firm to keep all the dividends and profits from selling the company later on.
• It is often makes for a simpler and more standard negotiation process both for the financing deal and for the actual buyout. For an industry like PE where deals tend to be very fast paced and where targets normally have a number of suitors, this is also a benefit that should not be understated.
• Interest payments are tax-deductible.

Whereas the main advantages of equity financing are:

• It does not add any financial burdens on the target company. This means it should have more capital which can go towards investments in growth rather than repayment of debt. It also decreases risks of insolvency.
• It often means working with institutional investors or huge corporates with significant resources and expertise, which can make them invaluable partners for growing a business. A very successful example of such a relationship is that between Open AI and Microsoft.