Lmao I was similar when I interviewed with them. My last question was centred on their low retention rates 🤣 Poor interviewers 🤣
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Lmao I was similar when I interviewed with them. My last question was centred on their low retention rates 🤣 Poor interviewers 🤣
My last VS hope is Hogan Lovells and looking at last year, all ACs were given out by end of January. Cooked.
Honestly, don't stress it. In the three cycles of apps I've done so far, I've had 4 ACs and have now obtained 3 VS' (one in first cycle, two in this one) and none of them were with firms I attended an Open Day for.
Instead, I use Legal Cheek, Chambers Student Guide, Legal500 and the firm's website for my research. Note that some firms do not have either a Legal Cheek or Chambers page, but normally have at least one. Then, you can use what you find in that research to search further - eg if you see a client on the Legal500 then can research further into the work they did for them.
Open Days are good, but they're DEFINITELY not a make or break.
They kind of answered directly? Just said they were working on it and that sometimes it's simply that the trainees themselves want to move on, and that they know applicants look at these statistics so are aware of it. So, they did answer but tried to keep it a bit vague 🤣
The way I get around it is by doing more, usually. If I get a rejection then I try to send off another app the same week so I know I have another one out there, and that normally makes me feel better.
I found it harder this cycle than the last two. After a rejection from a firm I did an AC with last cycle, I just couldn't get out of bed for a day I was that down. I've said it before on here, but the way I pick myself back up is by thinking of life as a wheel of fortune - sometimes you're at the bottom, sometimes you're at the top, but the wheel NEVER stops spinning. At one point, logically, you HAVE to be on top.
Also, cut yourself some slack. It takes a lot of energy to do all these applications. Celebrate the small successes (eg just getting an application out there) and have a dance around the kitchen or something. Sounds silly, but the little things really help
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I totally get how tough it can be. During my own cycle, every PFO just became an excuse to treat myself. A good dessert or a spicy meal always lifted my mood, and if that didn’t do the trick, I’d sleep it off. By the time I woke up, I’d remind myself that rejection is just a phase everyone has to go through. The key is finding healthy ways to cope - whether it’s food, rest, or something else that makes you happy. Keep going, because the right opportunity will come your way!
In addition to what @VMS said, I think you can also try see if the firm has any forage internships that you could complete. This could help you understand the kind of work a trainee would do and the kinds of matters that the firm typically advises on. 🙂
Perhaps if the firm hosts virtual events (such as with AllAboutLaw, Legal Cheek, LawCareers.net and TCLA) you could find out more about them that way. I don’t think going to an open day makes any difference as to whether you can or can’t secure a VS with a firm. 🙂
Perhaps if the firm hosts virtual events (such as with AllAboutLaw, Legal Cheek, LawCareers.net and TCLA) you could find out more about them that way. I don’t think going to an open day makes any difference as to whether you can or can’t secure a VS with a firm. 🙂
Yes, as @Chris Brown said, those talks are really helpful.
If you check:
Events - Legal Cheek
www.legalcheek.com
Digital Campus | AllAboutLaw
We have an outstanding agenda of events running throughout the academic year, featuring speakers from some of the top law firms and law schools in the UK.
www.allaboutlaw.co.uk
You'll find upcoming Legal Cheek and AllAboutLaw talks, both in-person and online
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Hey there! From personal experience and general industry traits, you really don’t need to have gone to an event at a firm to succeed in applying to them. You may have gone to one by another firm (maybe an online webinar or an open day) and reference similarities in their work, which sparked your interest for a particular practice area - for example. You may have had a chat with a lawyer that works at X firm who told you about X, and state this in your application, linking to more specifics from your portfolio. There are so many things you could talk about, which don’t have to be in relation to the firm’s events. They certainly do help, but are in no way a prerequisite to an offer!
Best wishes with the applications! You’ll do great!
THANK YOU SO MUCH That makes me feel a lot better! Would you mind sharing what points would you definitely address in the application form (like a recent deal, a practice area, or other things unique about the firm)? I sometimes get a bit lost when seeing so much info and don't really know what are firms really looking for. 😭
Thanks that's really helpful!Hey there! From personal experience and general industry traits, you really don’t need to have gone to an event at a firm to succeed in applying to them. You may have gone to one by another firm (maybe an online webinar or an open day) and reference similarities in their work, which sparked your interest for a particular practice area - for example. You may have had a chat with a lawyer that works at X firm who told you about X, and state this in your application, linking to more specifics from your portfolio. There are so many things you could talk about, which don’t have to be in relation to the firm’s events. They certainly do help, but are in no way a prerequisite to an offer!
Best wishes with the applications! You’ll do great!
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This is a really cool question. If I were to answer it during my cycle, I would probably touch on some of the following (which are still prevalent)…
Opportunities
1. Middle East & Asia-Pacific expansion (Growing deal activity, sovereign wealth funds)
2. Private credit & direct lending (Firms / traditional banks)
3. Energy transition & renewables (Legal work in green investments)
4. AI-driven efficiency (Automating due diligence, contract review)
5. Strengthening key client sectors (Tech, healthcare, private equity focus)
Challenges
1. Geopolitical risks (Sanctions, trade restrictions, supply chain issues)
2. Regulatory shifts (Stricter rules in financial services, ESG disclosures)
3. US firms’ talent hiring (Salary wars, talent retention)
4. AI commoditising legal tasks (Lower fees for routine work)
5. Client demand for value (Push for alternative fee structures, efficiency)
@Jessica Booker Hi Jessica, just wanted some advice if possible. Do law firms care at all about what you do prior to starting the SQE/TC? I am scheduled to do the SQE February 2026 and start the TC the February after. Now I just have this massive year long gap between now and studying the SQE. Many people have advised that I should travel/enjoy this amount of time since I'll never have this much free time again and I'll be stuck in an office doing silly hours for my legal career, but travelling for that long period of time is not feasible for me. I've currently been working in an admin role unrelated to law since October, but it is stressful and uninteresting. I would like to leave to improve my mental health, and I'm fortunate enough to not have to rely on this role. If I do this, and if I don't go in any sort of employment between now and next Feb, would this be detrimental going forward in your experience?
Hey everyone, I have a first-stage interview for a paralegal position at a firm where I’ve also applied for a vacation scheme (which is still under consideration). I’m very interested in the firm, and since the paralegal role is fixed-term, I’d ideally like to be considered for the vac scheme. However, I’m unsure how to approach this. Has anyone been in a similar situation? The interview will be conducted by someone from the Early Careers team, so they might already be aware of my vac scheme application. Do you think this could impact my chances? Any advice would be much appreciated! I am very conflicted.
Anyone heard back from Paul Weiss this week?
If you want a break I'd work part time personally. I wouldn't just do "nothing" the whole year. Hopefully working part time + using annual leave for a nice holiday would improve your mental health! The answer to "do they care" as such is not really - nothing is going to happen if you don't work, you've already got the TC. Depending on where your TC is/how they select seats as well, getting some experience in an area in which you want to do a seat in/qualify in might tip the scales slightly, especially where a seat is competitive.
Hey! Does anyone know if Linklaters is still giving out AC invites or is it safe to assume a rejection
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I would describe Sidley in London as a medium-sized outfit of an elite US firm with strengths in a suite of transactional and advisory practices. While it is undoubtably one of the most prestigious firms in the US, it currently is and historically has trailed the traditional V10 firms (Wachtell, Cravath, Simpson, Sullivan, Davis Polk, Paul Weiss, Skadden, Latham, Kirkland, Gibson Dunn) in terms of profitability. However, many see it as "leading the pack" of the immediate next tier; and indeed, being more similar to them than the rest of the firms in the V20. Thus, if I were to name Sidley's London competitors in terms of "type of firm" and general reputation, I would list Milbank, Cleary Gottlieb, Gibson Dunn, and Paul Hastings.
However, in many cases it is more informative to look at competitors on an individual practice area basis. Here, looking at Sidley's best ranked departments in London I would list the following:
- Banking and Finance (Sponsors): Kirkland, Latham, Simpson, Weil, Paul Weiss.
- Corporate M&A: Latham, Skadden, Cleary, Davis Polk, Sullivan & Cromwell.
- Private Equity: although (quite surprisingly) Sidley isn't ranked for PE, since I know it is very focused on this practice area, I thought to mention some of its potential competitors here as well. The rivals with the highest regarded PE practices would indeed be the likes of Kirkland, Latham, and Simson Thatcher. However, given that Sidley's PE offering doesn't seam to boast of the same size and recognition, it might make more sense to think of the likes of Willkie, Ropes & Gray, and Gibson Dunn as competitors (since they also target the middle to high end segment and have relatively smaller teams).
- Debt Capital Markets: White & Case, Cleary, Sullivan & Cromwell, Davis Polk, Akin.
- Life Sciences (Regulatory): Arnold & Porter, Covington, Hogan Lovells.
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