TCLA Vacation Scheme Applications Discussion Thread 2024-25

[Jessica Booker]

Hi @Ram Sabaratnam,

In relation to the final point, what would you say about a hypothetical situation where the firm may have made its initial judgement that advising a client would not impose harm to their professional branding and reputation, but it actually later turned out that it most likely would (and the partners leading the deal were unwilling to accept that fact out of fear of losing the deal or client altogether).

Would it be fine in this scenario for a trainee or associate (on grounds of the work being ethically questionable) to refuse the work? How do firms balance their need to take on work which is billed to clients, which helps firms make revenues and profits for equity partners, whilst also making sure that the work isn't ethically questionable and won’t have an impact on the firm’s reputation?

I understand this is probably a very strange and unlikely scenario, but it crossed my mind and I thought if this came up in an interview, I need to have considered everything. 😂😂​

It is not an unlikely situation. Trainees often have to work on matters they may not feel entirely comfortable with. It is part of the job though and representing organisations or individuals you might not agree with is something you have to factor in to the realities of what your job is.

However, it really depends what the matter is and also what your reasons are for wanting to refuse the work. In most cases where it is a preference rather than something that links to your beliefs (especially if those beliefs are a protected characteristic), I'd honestly say you have to suck it up more times than not. Trainees are not going to be very "visible" in representing the client - the partners/senior lawyers will be those putting their reputation on the line.

However, it is very common for those, especially with certain religions, to not work on matters that go against their beliefs - for instance working with gambling companies or tobacco companies.

But it was very common in interviews in one of the firms I worked for for us to address this upfront and ask questions like "what would you do if we asked you to work on X type of matter/for Y client?". For instance, when people talked about ESG matters in applications or having a very strong interest in green energy, we'd ask them what they would do if they were asked to work on a project for a major oil client that would lead to environmental damage or go against any green agenda.

 

[EA95]

I am thinking it’s going to be both motivational and competency questions so I am preparing for both just in case. 🥲​

When are interviews being held? And are they in person or remote via Zoom/MS?

 

[bsh]

I am thinking it’s going to be both motivational and competency questions so I am preparing for both just in case. 🥲​

Do you think it is worth emailing Paul just to check? I agree with you though, preparing for both is the best option atm

 

[Chris Brown]

Do you think it is worth emailing Paul just to check? I agree with you though, preparing for both is the best option atm

Yeah for sure I would definitely email him just to double check. In the meantime though, I would say preparing for both is the safest option, just in case it turns out to be both. 🙂​

 

[lawaspirant!]

Is it essential to hit the 600 word count on SH answers? All of my answers are around 450 and I am wondering if that's too short...

 

[kuuks_]

Did everyone who hasn't heard back from Paul, Weiss choose summer or both summer and spring?

And did anyone with PFOs choose the summer intake?

Trying to find reasons to expect anything other than a rejection atp🥲🥲

 

[Steakbake]

Any point emailing AG about application status if I did VI in late december, or do I just firm the likely PFO?

 

[aspiringlawstudent123]

Hiya @aspiringlawstudent123

This is definitely a tricky question, and has actually come up for me during interviews. It's also not just hypothetical - it's something that's come up a lot during discussions of professional ethics in my SQE course as well. The reality is that your moral/ethical/political/social views won’t always align with your clients’ (or your employer's for that matter). Part of being a professional is knowing where your own boundaries are. In your answer, you may want to really highlight 2-3 of the following themes or points:

• Show an awareness of professional limits. You may want to ensure that it's absolutely clear that you wouldn't do anything unlawful or anything that could jeopardise your ability to practise. You can also mention this by reference to the SRA Code of Conduct, which is clear on professional/ethical obligations.
• Being a lawyer isn’t the same as endorsing a client. If working only for clients you personally support is important to you, your options are limited (you may need to go freelance or find a company that aligns with your values).
• Law firm branding and reputation matter. Very often, the scenarios in which the question comes up will test your ability to weight the reputational risks associated with both advising the client, as well as refusing to do so. If I were ever asked to work on something ethically questionable, my biggest concern would be whether it could seriously damage the firm’s reputation. But in reality, the firm would have already made that judgment before taking on the work.

Beyond that, I think your answer will depend on whether they’re asking about your personal stance or what the firm should do. Again, depending on the scenario, you'll want to consider what ethical/regulatory obligations bind the firm.

I hope this helps and let me know if you have any other questions! Good luck!

thank you so much, that's really helpful

 

[SamiyaJ]

Did everyone who hasn't heard back from Paul, Weiss choose summer and/or both summer and spring?

And did anyone with PFOs choose the summer intake?

Trying to find reasons to expect anything other than a rejection atp🥲🥲

I chose both summer/spring!

 

[0livia.pope]

Has anyone heard from Mishcon

 

[londonlawyer]

Did everyone who hasn't heard back from Paul, Weiss choose summer and/or both summer and spring?

And did anyone with PFOs choose the summer intake?

Trying to find reasons to expect anything other than a rejection atp🥲🥲

I chose summer

 

[TheLawStopsHere]

Has anyone heard from S&S post-AC?

 

[Joey green]

Two general questions for anyone that can help me:
1: what is a competency and CV based interview as opposed to just an interview...? What kind of questions are part of such an interview?
2: Are there any in-house (so no law firms) company's that I can apply to in general? Or just law firms?

Thanks everyone!

 

[Ruth A]

Did everyone who hasn't heard back from Paul, Weiss choose summer and/or both summer and spring?

And did anyone with PFOs choose the summer intake?

Trying to find reasons to expect anything other than a rejection atp🥲🥲

I would still stay super optimistic because people have received a pfo a week ago and since you haven’t heard that is still a good sign. Also, not a lot of people on here got invited so there is a big possibility that they are doing it in batches!! I would still be expecting good news since you haven’t heard back yet.

 

[fta2024]

I was rejected approx 1 week after I sat the WG, so I think no news is good news!

sorry to hear :/ thank you for the reassurance !!

 

[zq522]

Has anyone heard from Mishcon

Came here to ask the same question - they said for summer VS they would be getting back mid Feb so I reckon we should be hearing this week? Although thats what I thought last week too

 

[EA95]

Did everyone who hasn't heard back from Paul, Weiss choose summer and/or both summer and spring?

And did anyone with PFOs choose the summer intake?

Trying to find reasons to expect anything other than a rejection atp🥲🥲

I chose summer, and haven’t received a response. Expecting a PFO tbh.

 

[Amma Usman]

Is it essential to hit the 600 word count on SH answers? All of my answers are around 450 and I am wondering if that's too short...

I personally don’t think this is necessary, largely because if you truly don’t have more to say, you may end up waffling. This detracts from the quality answer you have already built. Another thing is to see whether your existing 450 word answer is actually fully developed…was there a part where a paragraph would have benefited from you explaining your experiences more deeply? Could your why SH answer be more specific? Critique your own work to the fullest and ask for the same of others through an extra set of eyes. On SH, I know of people who didn’t meet the word count and got past the next stage. In my opinion, since most firms have 250-300 words on their app questions and one can still be specific enough within that limit, then 450 is fine in your case.

 

[Toomanypfo]

Does anyone have insight into Clyde & Co AC?

 

[kuuks_]

I chose both summer/spring!

I chose summer

Have you guys heard back yet?