TCLA Vacation Scheme Applications Discussion Thread 2024-25

[elsx]

Hi,
I received the email from DLA saying I had successfully passed the WG test a week ago and I was wondering how long it took for people who go the VI?

 

[Lawstudent14576]

Has anyone had a written exercise invite for Taylor Wessing?

 

[Reem2024]

I might be wrong but I think that, potentially unlike the main TC, in the Middle East vac scheme there is no minimum benchmark for the Watson Glaser. In the Watson Glaser instructions for the vac scheme they specifically mention 'we do not determine the outcome of a candidates application on the Watson Glaser test alone.'

Yeah, that’s what I thought too but because of how the WG is usually valid for 2 years I would’ve thought they would tell you if you passed or failed. 🤷🏻‍♀️

 

[Andrei Radu]

I am sick of getting rejected post app, and so I am overhauling my work experienc/employment section in the hope that it helps (I am almost 30 so have a load of different employment that is very varied). Just wondering if anyone has a structure for these employment descriptions that they know are what graduate recruitment wants to see? I have tried putting in loads of detail, and then less, and never really been happy with it. I understand that my application answers also need improving, but it can't harm to fix up my work section.

@Jessica Booker @Andrei Radu @Ram Sabaratnam @Amma Usman if you have any insights please do let me know. Or anybody else of course too Thank you!

There is no objectively correct framework to use for all your work experiences - the level of detail you should go into highly depends on the experience itself and you will have to make some judgement calls as to what will add most value to your application. However, I think it will be useful to explain (a) the criteria for determining level of appropriate detail you should go into; and (b) the right writing style and structure

(A) Criteria to determine what level detail is desirable in a work experience
A paradigmatic example of a very substantive role you should try to explain in detail is a working as a paralegal for a commercial law firm for a few years. This is a role that:

1. Was long term and took up large amounts of your time;
2. Included many varied sets of tasks and responsibilities;
3. Probably enabled you to develop many relevant skills for a trainee's job;
4. Probably has a number of links you can make to various 'why commercial law' and 'why the firm' reasons;
5. Probably included some specific moments when you performed well-above the expectations;

Since it scores well in all, I would try to use all the available word count to describe the experience as thoroughly as possible. I will however caveat this by adding that these five points do not necessarily include all the relevant considerations - they are simply the ones I used to guide my writing. As such, if you can think of further criteria to add, you should definitely do so.

For illustrative purposes, a work experience at the other end of the spectrum could be a one-day role at your university where you get to help out with organizing some event. This role (i) was not long term, (ii) did not have many varied responsibilities; (iii) while it contributed to the development of some skills, the development will not have been very significant; (iv) probably does not have many element that can be linked to commercial law or the firm; (v) probably does not have many moments where you could really impress. As such, when describing this experience, I would not do more than write a few short sentences explaining my basic tasks.

Now, between these two experiences at opposite ends of the spectrum there are many in that sit in between, scoring well on some metrics but not others. This is where you will have to make some judgement calls. There is no objective way to determine the weigh you should place on each criterion and to what level of detail that should translate to. Moreover, the question of how elaborate your writing should be will also depend on the context of your other work experiences. If you have many other work experiences which are more relevant, this should be a consideration in favor of more brevity - beyond a certain point, including more and more information will just reduce the impact any specific more impressive point of information could have made on a recruiter. In a similar vein, the extent to which you reference an experience in other parts of the application should be considered.

Nonetheless, do not be too worries about these judgement calls you have to make. Recruiters are well aware that there is no objectively correct 'model' answer when describing work experiences. If you think about them carefully and use your common sense, I would be very surprised for this to be dragging your applications down.

(b) Structure and Style
An part of work experience writing that many people do not focus on enough is structure and style. Since many candidates have several work experiences and since these sections have less clear assessment criteria than application form questions, I would argue that style and structure is as important if not more than in the other parts of the application. Many often when applicants write poor work experience description this is not due to substantive aspects regarding the level of detail they went into, but simply that they employed a more verbose and less clear manner of writing than they would in an motivational question/cover letter answer. If you avoid this mistake, I believe any perceived inadequacies regarding levels of detail in the description will be looked on much more favorably by recruiters.

As such, for style, I advise you to go for the same 'to the point' writing you should use when writing a 'Why the firm' or 'Why commercial law' answer. Even if you have a higher word count limit for a work experience section or you have less points to include, do not interpret that as an excuse to be wordy. Critically examine your writing and ask yourself if any given sentence or part of a sentence is: (i) contains information that is necessary to be communicated; (ii) that cannot be communicated in a shorter manner; and (iii) that cannot be communicated in a simpler manner. If the answer is ever 'no', think about how you can rephrase your point.

The question of structure is unfortunately influenced by what your assessment based on the five criteria mentioned in the first section of this post. For more substantive experiences, I would use the STAR structure (Situation, Task, Action, Results). For less relevant experiences, I would simply aim to cover the essence of the experience in a few sentences. As a rule of thumb, I think any experience that requires you to write more than 100 words should be structured using STAR.

 

[legalxp2]

I applied to CMS last week, how long do I wait for the tests and are they automatic?

 

[Andrei Radu]

'Describe the personal event or experience that, more than anything else, made you realise your desire to work in a law firm and specifically at Fieldfisher. (800 characters)'

@Andrei Radu @Jessica Booker @Ram Sabaratnam

What do you guys think will be the best way too approach this question ? Is it best to split the question into two parts i.e., about half of the character limit on a personal event that motivated me to work in a law firm (or 'commercial' law firm specifically) and, the other half on why I want to work at Fieldfisher?

Would appreciate any insights. Thanks !

I do not think there is a wrong or right way to approach it, as it highly depends on the content of your points. If you can merge the two points and talk both about why an experience motivates you to pursue working in a law firm and why it motivates you to apply at Fieldfisher at the same time while also still writing in a very clear and structured manner, I see no reason against doing that.

However, I think for the majority of candidates (myself included) it is much easier to ensure an easy to follow structure by separating this type of question into two sections. Moreover, even if you were able to write an equally clear narrative-style 'merged' answer, I do not think this would add that much more value to your application. As such, unless you have some very good ideas as to how to go about using a 'merged' answer approach, I would advise you to go for the 'separate sections' approach.

 

[Tangcy]

Hi guys! Does anyone know if i can add in the forage experience from one firm while applying for a VS for another firm? So for example, let's say i have done a forage job simulation from A&O, can i add this experience into my application for Linklaters? Is there any drawbacks if i do this?

@Andrei Radu @Jessica Booker @Ram Sabaratnam

 

[Deleted member 37508]

HSF test benchmark met - surprised as my feedback said I wasn’t great at anything but one area.

 

[jojo23]

Has anybody heard back from WFW post application etc?

 

[GV]

I recently applied for the Bank of England traineeship and got a email today saying that as I got my LLB more than 3 years ago (2021) and the firm/practice are going to use The University of Law as it’s SQE provider I will now have to attend a “Law Essential Course” prior to starting which cost £4,100! Am I the only one that was not aware of this?

 

[LawyerUpPal]

Are Mayer Brown just really slow at sending out the online test or do they review applications before they send them out?

Mine (two online assessments, a Situational Strengths Test and a Verbal Reasoning Test) arrived three weeks after submission, and I had a week to complete them.

 

[LawyerUpPal]

HSF WVS offer!!! Unfortunately, the dates clash with my W&C WVS, so I am contemplating whether I should ask HSF to be moved to summer or spring, but I'll have to have some reason...Any ideas?

 

[Unknowncabbage]

HSF WVS offer!!! Unfortunately, the dates clash with my W&C WVS, so I am contemplating whether I should ask HSF to be moved to summer or spring, but I'll have to have some reason...Any ideas?

Congratulations 🥳 I think if you contact grad recruitment at one of the firms they may be able to allocate you a spot on their summer as they’ll be quite understanding. But huge congrats again!

 

[josiemusgra]

Any tips on how to prepare or research around a 1-page pre-read material provided 3 days before a written exercise for an AC?

 

[marisachr]

Need help with this Withers application question -
''If your favourite childhood toy suddenly came to life, what advice would you give it today? (60 words max)''. These law firms are getting too creative 🤣 @Jessica Booker @Andrei Radu

 

[RonRod13]

Any tips on how to prepare or research around a 1-page pre-read material provided 3 days before a written exercise for an AC?

Which firm is this for?

 

[Parsorandini]

There is no objectively correct framework to use for all your work experiences - the level of detail you should go into highly depends on the experience itself and you will have to make some judgement calls as to what will add most value to your application. However, I think it will be useful to explain (a) the criteria for determining level of appropriate detail you should go into; and (b) the right writing style and structure

(A) Criteria to determine what level detail is desirable in a work experience
A paradigmatic example of a very substantive role you should try to explain in detail is a working as a paralegal for a commercial law firm for a few years. This is a role that:

1. Was long term and took up large amounts of your time;
2. Included many varied sets of tasks and responsibilities;
3. Probably enabled you to develop many relevant skills for a trainee's job;
4. Probably has a number of links you can make to various 'why commercial law' and 'why the firm' reasons;
5. Probably included some specific moments when you performed well-above the expectations;

Since it scores well in all, I would try to use all the available word count to describe the experience as thoroughly as possible. I will however caveat this by adding that these five points do not necessarily include all the relevant considerations - they are simply the ones I used to guide my writing. As such, if you can think of further criteria to add, you should definitely do so.

For illustrative purposes, a work experience at the other end of the spectrum could be a one-day role at your university where you get to help out with organizing some event. This role (i) was not long term, (ii) did not have many varied responsibilities; (iii) while it contributed to the development of some skills, the development will not have been very significant; (iv) probably does not have many element that can be linked to commercial law or the firm; (v) probably does not have many moments where you could really impress. As such, when describing this experience, I would not do more than write a few short sentences explaining my basic tasks.

Now, between these two experiences at opposite ends of the spectrum there are many in that sit in between, scoring well on some metrics but not others. This is where you will have to make some judgement calls. There is no objective way to determine the weigh you should place on each criterion and to what level of detail that should translate to. Moreover, the question of how elaborate your writing should be will also depend on the context of your other work experiences. If you have many other work experiences which are more relevant, this should be a consideration in favor of more brevity - beyond a certain point, including more and more information will just reduce the impact any specific more impressive point of information could have made on a recruiter. In a similar vein, the extent to which you reference an experience in other parts of the application should be considered.

Nonetheless, do not be too worries about these judgement calls you have to make. Recruiters are well aware that there is no objectively correct 'model' answer when describing work experiences. If you think about them carefully and use your common sense, I would be very surprised for this to be dragging your applications down.

(b) Structure and Style
An part of work experience writing that many people do not focus on enough is structure and style. Since many candidates have several work experiences and since these sections have less clear assessment criteria than application form questions, I would argue that style and structure is as important if not more than in the other parts of the application. Many often when applicants write poor work experience description this is not due to substantive aspects regarding the level of detail they went into, but simply that they employed a more verbose and less clear manner of writing than they would in an motivational question/cover letter answer. If you avoid this mistake, I believe any perceived inadequacies regarding levels of detail in the description will be looked on much more favorably by recruiters.

As such, for style, I advise you to go for the same 'to the point' writing you should use when writing a 'Why the firm' or 'Why commercial law' answer. Even if you have a higher word count limit for a work experience section or you have less points to include, do not interpret that as an excuse to be wordy. Critically examine your writing and ask yourself if any given sentence or part of a sentence is: (i) contains information that is necessary to be communicated; (ii) that cannot be communicated in a shorter manner; and (iii) that cannot be communicated in a simpler manner. If the answer is ever 'no', think about how you can rephrase your point.

The question of structure is unfortunately influenced by what your assessment based on the five criteria mentioned in the first section of this post. For more substantive experiences, I would use the STAR structure (Situation, Task, Action, Results). For less relevant experiences, I would simply aim to cover the essence of the experience in a few sentences. As a rule of thumb, I think any experience that requires you to write more than 100 words should be structured using STAR.

This is amazing and invaluable - thank you so much!!

 

[James Wakefield]

Anyone heard back from Cooley about the virtual open day coming up?

 

[Aspiringsolicitor01]

uhhh I am bombing these video interviews. What do people say when a question asks you, 'how do you build rappor with a client who is seeking to expand into a new market?' More specifically how do you speak for 2 minutes

 

[seaweed.bond]

uhhh I am bombing these video interviews. What do people say when a questions asks you, 'how do you build rappor with a client who is seeking to expand into a new market?'

Not an answer but a second cry for help 💀💀 could anyone who aces/passes VIs give any tips ?

Or @Ram Sabaratnam are there any entry articles on TCLA that give advice ?