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TCLA Vacation Scheme Applications Discussion Thread 2024-25

Andrei Radu

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Hi @Andrei Radu @Jessica Booker

1. I am currently completing a law firm application that I plan to submit tomorrow. In my work experience section, I have included a part dedicated to open days. I recently secured a place on Paul, Weiss' open day and was wondering whether it is ok to write something along the lines of "I secured an open day at Paul, Weiss, which will take place on 30 October"? On the one hand, I thought maybe it would make me look like a competitive candidate, but on the other hand, I don't have any insights to share from this event yet, so I do not know if it just does not add anything to my application.

2. From a presentation POV, will it reflect poorly if I complete a VI at night time? Do you recommend only doing VIs in natural daylight?

Thank you!
Hi @KBanana!
  1. I think it is fine to write about an upcoming open day - and especially for Paul, Weiss, which has been extremely competitive from what I hear. I think whether the proposed sentence works depends on the context of the rest of answer. When I was listing upcoming events, I would just write something such as "Finally, I have secured a place and will attend open days at ...". However, if you want to try to link this with any insights, you can maybe say something like "I secured an open day at Paul, Weiss, where I expect to improve my commercial awareness by learning more about one of the most remarkable recent developments in the City's private equity legal landscape".
  2. I think it is very unlikely his will be taken under consideration in any way. Recruiters are quite aware that people have different schedules and that some will only be able to complete a VI at night. Moreover, in many cases (like for me last year), people will complete VIs in places without much access to natural daylight - so it should not even be noticeable that you are competing yours at night. My advice would be to just complete yours at the most convenient time.
 

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Hi Andrei, apologies it looks like you got cut off. Could I kindly ask for the step by step please?
Definitely, please see it here:
Hi there! My interview preparation approach, which led to a VS offer 4/4 times I implemented it, was essentially split in four phases:

Step 1 - Preparing ideas for answers

The first and most difficult step in preparing for interviews is learning how to respond to a wide variety of questions. Of course, you cannot prepare beforehand for all potential variations of all potential interview questions. Furthermore, you do not want to learn answers by heart and then just repeat them in front of the interviewers - they are likely to sound robotic. However, by investing a substantial amount of time thinking about how you would go about answering to as many different questions as possible, you start learning how to describe your motivations and experiences in a flexible manner. This decreases the chances that you will not be caught off-guard by any given question. It also increases the chances that, even if you have not prepared for a question you are being asked, you will find a somewhat sensible answer to it.

The first thing I would do when invited to an AC/interview (and for a video interview, but not in the same level of detail) would be to try to build a question bank to practice on. I would create a Word doc with a few big headings (like 'CV based/competency questions'; 'motivations/firm-specific questions', 'commercial awareness questions', situational judgement questions' etc) and firstly write down all the questions I could think of under each relevant heading. I would then look at my CV, and find try to think how I could leverage my experience to answer those questions. Finally, I would write 2-3 short bullet points under each questions to explain how I would answer it - I have found this helps with memorizing the ideas for your answers. Thus enabled me to both have the ideas ready to go in my mind for a high number of questions and to be able to go through the though process of formulating the answer in the actual interview. It is also worth mentioning that at this step I would prepare particularly well for the questions I thought were very likely to come up (such as Why the firm, Why me etc).

The second stage involved searching for interview question banks on the internet - such as the one offered by TCLA here. While reading them, I would spend around 30 seconds on each question thinking of potential ways of answering them. I would then copy the questions I was having particular difficulty with and add them under the relevant heading in my word document. After finalizing this process, I would once again look at my CV and spend a longer amount of time thinking how to best answer each of them. Then, I would note down my ideas in short bullet points.

The final stage was similar to the second, with the only difference being that I would search directly for examples of past questions asked by the firm I was interviewing at - resources that were useful were this TCLA forum and Glassdoor.


Step 2 - Practicing articulating your answers

Once I had found the right ideas as to how to answer most interview questions, the second step of preparation involved improving my ability to articulate them. Despite the initial awkwardness of this method, I have found it incredibly useful to simply turn my laptop's camera on, pick one question at random, give myself a few seconds to think, and then record my answer. Subsequently, I would watch the recording with as critical an attitude as possible to see the parts I was struggling with the most. Then I would repeat this process again and again until I was happy with the way I was answering any given question.

A point worth noting is that as I was deciding at random which question to respond to, I would try to tweak the specific phrasing of the question in my mind. Thus, instead of just learning how to answer 'Why do you want to pursue a career in commercial law?', I would learn to answer many variations of the same type of question, such as 'How did your interest in commercial law originate?', 'Why commercial law rather than another area of the law?', 'Why do you want to be a commercial solicitor rather than a commercial barrister?' and so on. Once again, by following this approach, I would learn how to be flexible in formulating my ideas to best suit the exact question the interviewer would be asking me.


Step 3 - Mock interviews

Especially for any AC/final stage interviews, mock interviews are a really useful preparation tool. After you have improved yourself as much as you could by firstly preparing your best ideas for answers, and then preparing the best way to articulate them, you would now be in the best position to further improve both your ideas and your capacity to communicate them by getting feedback from others. Hence, if you can find someone with VS/TC interview experience (or even just experience with commercial law/interviews in general), it would be really helpful to get them to do a mock interview for you. Moreover, getting more familiar with the 'interview experience' beforehand contributes a lot to your ability to calm your nerves and do your best on the big day. As such, I would advise you to reach out to people who could help you with this, even if they are not part of your immediate circle. You will be surprised how many people will be willing to help you out!


Step 4 - Getting into the right mindset

Finally, although this may sound a bit cliche, try to go into the interview with a positive attitude. Remind yourself that just by reaching this stage, you have demonstrated to be an exceptionally competitive candidate. Acknowledge the fact that since the firm chose to meet you out of so many other applicants, it means you have everything you need to succeed - whether that means success with this particular firm or another. Finally, although I appreciate how hard it may be, try to not put an excessive amount of pressure on yourself. Meditate on your journey and how far you've come and accept that as long as you do your best, you will have nothing to blame yourself for. Going through these thought processes the night and morning before the interviews helped me a lot with reducing my anxiety and my ability to show enthusiasm in my attitude.

I hope this is useful :) and best of luck with your future interviews!
 
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I have got an open day for HSF and Dechert.

What kind of questions do I ask whilst networking.

I understand this will not be assessed but I assume the way you interact with those at the firm will be observed to an extent.

Should I do my research on the firm prior even though they will give us background when there.

Do they see us as strong candidates as we were selected or do they invite anyone.

@Jessica Booker and @Andrei Radu your wise words would be gratefully appreciated.
 
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l789

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I have got an open day for HSF and Dechert.

What kind of questions do I ask whilst networking.

I understand this will not be assessed but I assume the way you interact with those at the firm will be observed to an extent.

Should I do my research on the firm prior even though they will give us background when there.

Do they see us as strong candidates as we were selected or do they invite anyone.

@Jessica Booker and @Andrei Radu your wise words would be gratefully appreciated.
Congrats, what HSF open day is this?
 

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I was supposed to go to a Latham open day today but I’m extremely unwell, I’ve completely lost my voice and have a crazy fever. Did a Covid test just now just to see if it could be that and it turns out it is :( I’ve emailed grad recruitment to say I can’t come anymore especially because I don’t want to be a risk to others.. I’m super upset
 
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Jessica Booker

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I have got an open day for HSF and Dechert.

What kind of questions do I ask whilst networking.

I understand this will not be assessed but I assume the way you interact with those at the firm will be observed to an extent.

Should I do my research on the firm prior even though they will give us background when there.

Do they see us as strong candidates as we were selected or do they invite anyone.

@Jessica Booker and @Andrei Radu your wise words would be gratefully appreciated.
Congratulations on securing two open days - that is a great start to this recruitment cycle.

It is likely you have already done some research for your open day applications. You may want to revisit any notes you have about the firms and remind yourself of why you are interested in each firm. You can do some initial further research that helps you identify subject areas that you want to learn more about and then think of any questions that link to these topics.

My key advice for asking questions at open days or events is try not to be clever or overly try to impress. Some people use the opportunity to ask questions to try and show their skills/knowledge and this isn't really the purpose of the event - it is for you to learn. So instead, focus on genuine questions you are interested in learning more about. If you feel you have a good level of knowledge for the firm, then instead focus on getting insights into people's opinions or experiences on the elements that are important to you. By focusing on what is most relevant to you, you will:
  • Come across as more genuine
  • Learn more about the aspects of the firm that appeal to you - which will help strengthen future applications for vacation schemes or training contracts, because you are tailoring your knowledge to what you feel is important
It really doesn't matter what the topics are (maybe with the exception of anything pay related) - it could be about how training practically works, more in-depth insights into particular types of work or the type of clients it works with, the firm's culture, how people have got involved in pro bono, CSR, or ED&I activities, what people think of the firm, the firm's strategy or what direction it might be heading in the future (these questions are usually better suited to partners), how the firm is using technology. Just let the questions come from a genuine place of interest and curiosity and they are likely to be well received.

Finally, make sure you are really actively listening to the answers to other people's questions - the only major downside I have seen with people asking questions at such events is when they seem to have not been listening and effectively ask the same/very similar question to the same person that an open day attendee has asked already.
 

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My key advice for asking questions at open days or events is try not to be clever or overly try to impress. Some people use the opportunity to ask questions to try and show their skills/knowledge and this isn't really the purpose of the event - it is for you to learn. So instead, focus on genuine questions you are interested in learning more about. If you feel you have a good level of knowledge for the firm, then instead focus on getting insights into people's opinions or experiences on the elements that are important to you. By focusing on what is most relevant to you, you will:
  • Come across as more genuine
  • Learn more about the aspects of the firm that appeal to you - which will help strengthen future applications for vacation schemes or training contracts, because you are tailoring your knowledge to what you feel is important.
I wish more people listened to advice like this, as when people start humble bragging, flexing, and listing off their achievements before they even ask their question (as some people always do) it just becomes so awkward for everyone else. Also, I can't imagine it reflects well from a recruiters perspective at all. Every firm emphasises the need to be a team player! Its a hugely collaborative profession! We don't all need to know that you're getting a first in your second year before you ask about secondment opportunities...
 

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I was supposed to go to a Latham open day today but I’m extremely unwell, I’ve completely lost my voice and have a crazy fever. Did a Covid test just now just to see if it could be that and it turns out it is :( I’ve emailed grad recruitment to say I can’t come anymore especially because I don’t want to be a risk to others.. I’m super upset
Covid tests still exist? 😂😂😂
 

Tom smith

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If a firm's open day question asks you what you want to learn from the open day but is just 100 words, is it best to purely focus on things I want to learn about the firm or can I say why briefly why I am interested in a practice area I want to learn about?
 

Jessica Booker

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I wish more people listened to advice like this, as when people start humble bragging, flexing, and listing off their achievements before they even ask their question (as some people always do) it just becomes so awkward for everyone else. Also, I can't imagine it reflects well from a recruiters perspective at all. Every firm emphasises the need to be a team player! Its a hugely collaborative profession! We don't all need to know that you're getting a first in your second year before you ask about secondment opportunities...
I completely agree with this.

When asking a question, there shouldn't be this long preamble to explain why you are asking the question. People don't need to hear about your internship where you worked with some amazing piece of technology and how you now have amazing AI skills just to hear you ask a question around the firm's AI strategy.

It is literally enough to say "I have a particular interest in AI - what is the firm's strategy on using AI to support its work?"

It is worse when there is no connection to what the preamble is and the question - like your example of strong academic results and then a question about secondments!
 

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