TCLA Vacation Scheme Applications Discussion Thread 2024-25

Jessica Booker

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Hey everyone - hope applications are going well!

For Bristows' application - 'Other than law, what is something you are passionate about?'

Should I speak about something which I am really interested in - green, sustainable tech (think ZEV etc). Obviously, it's quite applicable to the firm and their clients. And it's always something I look out for in the news.

Or is this an opportunity to show them more of my human, non-working, non-serious side? I have a passion for wood working and carpentry, but has very little to do with Bristows or the law.
To me, this is definitely the latter rather than the former, unless you are truly geeky about the first topics and can show you have integrated this into your interests/activities (e.g. you are part of a sustainable tech organisation/charity etc). Therefore, I would go with the wood work example.
 
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Hey everyone - hope applications are going well!

For Bristows' application - 'Other than law, what is something you are passionate about?'

Should I speak about something which I am really interested in - green, sustainable tech (think ZEV etc). Obviously, it's quite applicable to the firm and their clients. And it's always something I look out for in the news.

Or is this an opportunity to show them more of my human, non-working, non-serious side? I have a passion for wood working and carpentry, but has very little to do with Bristows or the law.
Complete guess here, but by mentioning the woodworking, they will be much more likely to remember it. I recently went to an event with Vinson & Elkins, and they kept referring to one of their recent trainees who talked about cheesemaking in his application. Like, they kept referencing it, as it had clearly made an impression, and hey, he got hired.
 
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To me, this is definitely the latter rather than the former, unless you are truly geeky about the first topics and can show you have integrated this into your interests/activities (e.g. you are part of a sustainable tech organisation/charity etc). Therefore, I would go with the wood work example.
That makes sense - I mentioned green tech in passing in the previous application question, but not substantiated like you have mentioned. Thanks for clarifying!
 
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Complete guess here, but by mentioning the woodworking, they will be much more likely to remember it. I recently went to an event with Vinson & Elkins, and they kept referring to one of their recent trainees who talked about cheesemaking in his application. Like, they kept referencing it, as it had clearly made an impression, and hey, he got hired.
You raise a good point! I can imagine grad rec loving a cheese-making example. I was recently told about how Taylor Swift made it into an application answer, and it was received quite well haha
 

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The deadline for Dechert's WVS is on the 25th and is rolling. Would you say it is too late to apply by tomorrow? @Jessica Booker
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It is never too late to apply - I suspect the firm will still receive over 20% of their applications in the next five days. If this is the best opportunity for you for this cycle, I would apply anyway but if there are other vacation schemes you are eligible for and are willing to wait for, at the same time you may be in a less risky position to hold out for that opportunity instead.
 
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Thank you for spending your time on the forum on the weekends much appreciated.

I have not done a vacation scheme before but if I failed to convert and applied again next year how do firms look at this.

Are open days easier to get than vacation schemes.

Is it advisable to include deals in vacation scheme applications.

Does this show research if I apply this well within the question asking ‘why x firm’.
 

jasonbourne

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    Hey guys, I wanted to ask how I should go about answering a 'Tell me about yourself' question.

    I'm not sure if there is a specific format for answering this when it comes to legal applications, or how else I should go about it
     

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    How important are extra-cirricular activities? I am doing my PDGL, working 16 hours a week, and my commute to uni is approx 3 hours each way, twice a week. Am struggling to fit extras in, and wondering if it is better to lower my hours and do volunteering, or if I will be fine as I am
     

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    Is three Vacation Schemes too many? What about six work epxeirneces? Not showing off, genuinely curious. Some of these are years old. We're talking 2015 to 2016. The rest are all 2018 onwards. If there are four boxes, should we only add four?
     

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    @Jessica Booker
    Thank you for spending your time on the forum on the weekends much appreciated.

    I have not done a vacation scheme before but if I failed to convert and applied again next year how do firms look at this.

    Are open days easier to get than vacation schemes.

    Is it advisable to include deals in vacation scheme applications.

    Does this show research if I apply this well within the question asking ‘why x firm’.
    If you do not convert a vacation scheme, I'd encourage you to ask the firm whether it is worthwhile reapplying. There won't be a general view of how firms will look at this - it very much depends from candidate to candidate. For the same firm, I have actively encouraged someone to reapply the next cycle as they narrowly missed out (and I thought they could easily improve their development areas) while for another candidate, I encouraged them to not reapply because I didn't think their motivations were going to change (and we couldn't offer them the career they truly wanted).

    I'd say open days are generally easier to secure as they don't rarely have a formal recruitment process to them (e.g. no face-to-face interviews or assessments). However, open days can still be competitive to get on to for this reason. The application process tends to be a little more straight forward and therefore more people can apply. How competitive an open day or vacation scheme is though can be really varied, even for things outside of the firm's control. I have seen different programmes receive very different applications from year to year just because competitors were running schemes on the same dates, or because a deadline changes by a couple of weeks.

    You can include deals in applications, but most importantly you don't have to. There are many other ways to demonstrate your interests and your research. If you do reference a deal, you have to ensure whatever you are referencing has meaning/relevance to you and your application. Just naming a deal and saying "this is the type of work I want to do as a trainee" is not specific enough. What is it specifically about that deal over others you could have chosen? Referencing a deal is okay to do if it is naunced and tailored to you. However, deal name dropping (just throwing it in for the sake of showing some research) should be avoided.
     

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    How important are extra-cirricular activities? I am doing my PDGL, working 16 hours a week, and my commute to uni is approx 3 hours each way, twice a week. Am struggling to fit extras in, and wondering if it is better to lower my hours and do volunteering, or if I will be fine as I am
    As you are working part-time this is not an issue. Extracurricular activities demonstrate that university students are busy and developing skills beyond their degree, but part-time jobs can serve the same purpose. You can also refer to other extracurriculars from your undergraduate degree or even college too.
     
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    If you do not convert a vacation scheme, I'd encourage you to ask the firm whether it is worthwhile reapplying. There won't be a general view of how firms will look at this - it very much depends from candidate to candidate. For the same firm, I have actively encouraged someone to reapply the next cycle as they narrowly missed out (and I thought they could easily improve their development areas) while for another candidate, I encouraged them to not reapply because I didn't think their motivations were going to change (and we couldn't offer them the career they truly wanted).

    I'd say open days are generally easier to secure as they don't rarely have a formal recruitment process to them (e.g. no face-to-face interviews or assessments). However, open days can still be competitive to get on to for this reason. The application process tends to be a little more straight forward and therefore more people can apply. How competitive an open day or vacation scheme is though can be really varied, even for things outside of the firm's control. I have seen different programmes receive very different applications from year to year just because competitors were running schemes on the same dates, or because a deadline changes by a couple of weeks.

    You can include deals in applications, but most importantly you don't have to. There are many other ways to demonstrate your interests and your research. If you do reference a deal, you have to ensure whatever you are referencing has meaning/relevance to you and your application. Just naming a deal and saying "this is the type of work I want to do as a trainee" is not specific enough. What is it specifically about that deal over others you could have chosen? Referencing a deal is okay to do if it is naunced and tailored to you. However, deal name dropping (just throwing it in for the sake of showing some research) should be avoided.
    Thank you Jessica good information.

    To follow up on this.

    How to other firms look at a non VS conversion to TC. Would they give the applicant a chance.

    Does graduate recruitment check to validity of cases mentioned whether they actually exist and the information is correct.
     

    seaweed.bond

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    Hope everyone is having a good weekend :) I just had two questions re interviews:

    1. When it comes to 'Why this firm?', should you still link your points to yourself? E.g. if you mention a specific practice area, their secondment opportunities etc., should you mention a personal experience/attribute that supports why you're even mentioning these points?
    2. For scenario-based questions (e.g. 'What would you do if [...]?') is there a template that can be used (like the STAR structure for competency questions)? I'm asking because, at the start of your responses, couldn't you just say that you could refer to the firm's policy manual/contact your supervisor if there is an issue?
     

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    Anyone applying/applied for bakers? I'm unsure how to go about the first question, discussing a topic you're passionate about and how it's impacted you personally or professionally.

    I've heard some firms in the past say they like when you go a bit out there, say you're really passionate about dodgeball or something. But with the wording of this "a topic" I'm more inclined to go for something a bit more generic.
     

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