TCLA Vacation Scheme Applications Discussion Thread 2024-25

LawAspirer

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Hello everyone.
I am currently getting ready to make applications for direct training contracts.
I am graduated with an LLB from a Dutch university where we did a comparative study between EU law jurisdictions and England & Wales, and finished my LLM in London this year.
I know the PGDL is not a regulatory requirement anymore if you have an LLB, however, some firms still require people to do the PGDL if they didn't do an LLB in the UK.
Does anyone know of any firms that don't require the PGDL if one has the LLB? I don't want to waste one year doing the PGDL and it'll help me prioritise certain firms. I am aware Baker Mckenzie has such an arrangement, but I'm unsure about any other firms.
Does anyone have any insights? Thanks :D
 

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Hello everyone.
I am currently getting ready to make applications for direct training contracts.
I am graduated with an LLB from a Dutch university where we did a comparative study between EU law jurisdictions and England & Wales, and finished my LLM in London this year.
I know the PGDL is not a regulatory requirement anymore if you have an LLB, however, some firms still require people to do the PGDL if they didn't do an LLB in the UK.
Does anyone know of any firms that don't require the PGDL if one has the LLB? I don't want to waste one year doing the PGDL and it'll help me prioritise certain firms. I am aware Baker Mckenzie has such an arrangement, but I'm unsure about any other firms.
Does anyone have any insights? Thanks :D
Orrick, V&E, probs a few others. Basically that ones that use BARBRI
 

andrecsaa

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    Hello everyone.
    I am currently getting ready to make applications for direct training contracts.
    I am graduated with an LLB from a Dutch university where we did a comparative study between EU law jurisdictions and England & Wales, and finished my LLM in London this year.
    I know the PGDL is not a regulatory requirement anymore if you have an LLB, however, some firms still require people to do the PGDL if they didn't do an LLB in the UK.
    Does anyone know of any firms that don't require the PGDL if one has the LLB? I don't want to waste one year doing the PGDL and it'll help me prioritise certain firms. I am aware Baker Mckenzie has such an arrangement, but I'm unsure about any other firms.
    Does anyone have any insights? Thanks :D

    Probably US firms and some international firms like NRF, Hogan Lovells, Ashurst, and DLA. Best to check directly with grad rec
     

    Chris Brown

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    I haven't seen anyone post about Hill Dickinson test invites across this thread or DTC thread, do you mind sharing where you saw this?
    I may or may not have accidentally mixed up Hill Dickinson and Womble Bond Dickinson… 💀

    I think from last year’s forum, people were getting test invites for Hill Dickinson from the 1st of March onwards. Best of luck! 🙂​
     
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    Andrei Radu

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    Hi @Andrei Radu

    Quick question- I’ve got a summer vac scheme with GD, but have seen that a few people on LinkedIn who applied for direct tcs have received offers already. Knowing that the firm recruits such a few number of trainees, will these direct tcs impact the number of trainees taken from the vac scheme?
    I would not expect it to. Firstly, because firms in general, but in particular American firms, have a clear preference for recruiting candidates that they can observe and test in the office. In fact, as far as I am aware, the only route available to enter biglaw in the US is the summer associate one. While US firms will give out a few TCs to people who apply via the direct route so as not to miss out great candidates who have more substantial legal work experience, they do not significantly alter the number of TCs available from the VS route. Doing so would mean missing out on a comparatively larger talent pool.

    Secondly, for many US firms the number of TCs they offer is not fixed. While there will be a rough number they are looking to get, that can be increased or decreased in a given year. Some factors that impact it include: quality of candidates, state of the market and demand for core practice areas, retention rates from the previous cohorts, and reneging on the part of current offer holders.
     

    Legallywhatever

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    Hi everyone,

    I've never answered a question like this before (first proper cycle), and so I'm unsure what sort of discussion points I need to be hitting for this and just wanted some advice.

    The question is asking 'What do you think are the biggest challenges facing the firms clients at the moment'.

    If I want to speak about the agricultural sector for example, would I be okay to talk about how (according to an article from the FT) the UK lacks coherent rural policy? What sort of things would I need to talk about within that?

    Any guidance would be really appreciated
     

    lawstudent2

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    Does anyone know how long burges salmon bristol take to respond post AC? They said on the day that they waited until all were completed and the last one I think was yesterday, just wondering if I can expect news before the weekend or if they take another week or so to full decide
     

    Jessica Booker

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    Hi everyone,

    I've never answered a question like this before (first proper cycle), and so I'm unsure what sort of discussion points I need to be hitting for this and just wanted some advice.

    The question is asking 'What do you think are the biggest challenges facing the firms clients at the moment'.

    If I want to speak about the agricultural sector for example, would I be okay to talk about how (according to an article from the FT) the UK lacks coherent rural policy? What sort of things would I need to talk about within that?

    Any guidance would be really appreciated
    I would generally recommend talking about clients broadly rather than a specific sub-group/industry where you can. I would consider broader economic, political, social and regulatory changes or trends that are happening that would impact a broad of clients across industries/sectors.

    Your agricultural reference may be better suited to a "tell me about a news story you have seen and how it may impact our firm or our clients" type question instead.
     

    James Wakefield

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    Has anyone had a law interview where they think their answers were good but the interviewers seemed cold? There was a bit of an awkward silence too at the end of mine, after I’d asked a couple of questions back.

    Wondering what to think as this isn’t my first interview and if anything, I was generally happy with my answers.
     
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    Chris Brown

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    Hi guys urgent question. I have an interview with a firm today but I’m feeling really unwell and have been sick these past few days. Do you think there’s any point messaging the firm now or should I just firm it?
    I think this would depend on if it’s an in person or online interview. I think it would be a good idea to email the firm so that they know about it. However, I don’t know how they would then navigate assessing the interview. I think @Jessica Booker can give you a better answer than this tbh. 🥲​
     
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    missfuturetraineemaybe

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    I would not expect it to. Firstly, because firms in general, but in particular American firms, have a clear preference for recruiting candidates that they can observe and test in the office. In fact, as far as I am aware, the only route available to enter biglaw in the US is the summer associate one. While US firms will give out a few TCs to people who apply via the direct route so as not to miss out great candidates who have more substantial legal work experience, they do not significantly alter the number of TCs available from the VS route. Doing so would mean missing out on a comparatively larger talent pool.

    Secondly, for many US firms the number of TCs they offer is not fixed. While there will be a rough number they are looking to get, that can be increased or decreased in a given year. Some factors that impact it include: quality of candidates, state of the market and demand for core practice areas, retention rates from the previous cohorts, and reneging on the part of current offer holders.
    Great to know, thank you!
     

    Andrei Radu

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    NRF AC! This is my first and only AC in this cycle, any tips highly highly welcomed, from literally anyone. Especially on the negotiation task.
    Hi @Hana ♥ and congrats on the AC! I will link here some of the general and NRF-specific resources I think could be most helpful, but please let me know if you have any follow up questions after you have taken a look:
    I have also quoted bellow a recent post I made on how to best deal with nerves and anxiety during the day to ensure you perform at your best. Best of luck in the AC :)!
    My top tip would be to focus on doing well and not on being perfect. Many people go to ACs thinking they need to blow away the partners and the recruiters to succeed, but I think this is the wrong attitude to have. First of all, while your achievements and skills might be impressive for this stage, it is quite unlikely you will manage to overly impress anyone no matter how hard you try - you will know a lot less about any given commercial law subject than lawyer in the firm. Secondly, this attitude will make you feel even more stressed than you would normally be and will therefore likely impact your performance. If you will be assessed for a total time of a few hours, it is impossible to be perfect in every moment. When you notice an imperfection in an answer, the right reaction is to acknowledge it but then to move past it and make the best of the rest. Instead, the overly perfectionistic candidates tend to stress about it a lot more than they should, and in attempting to fix the initial mistake they do a lot more harm to their progression chances. People with this mindset thus often end up creating negative feedback loops for themselves: they make a small error, then they begin overthinking it, which decreases their self-confidence, which impacts their next answer, which in turn further intensifies their anxiety; a series of events which can end up completely derailing one's performance.

    To avoid this, instead of aiming to excel everywhere, I would simply aim to perform well - to do a good job on every task and score well on every relevant assessment criterion. This boils down to using your preparation to make decent substantive points and communicate them in a clear and confident manner. If you manage to do this you will have performed better than the majority of candidates and in most cases should be enough to get you progressed - it did for me 4/4 times. If you reframe your task in this way, I think you should feel a lot less anxious about it: while perhaps it is difficult to convince yourself that you will pull of an extraordinary performance, you should feel a lot more confident in being able to respond sensibly to tasks and to cover all your bases well.

    A final piece of advice I have for calming down on the day and to avoid blanking out is to take your time:
    1. Firstly, taking your time before starting your answer. Instead of just jumping into a response the instance the interviewer stops speaking (which is a very natural temptation) take 3-4 seconds to think about and structure your answer. This will significantly decrease the number of times you find yourself blanking out mid-answer or having difficulty finding the right way to end a sentence.
    2. Secondly, if you have difficulty with finding sensible points for a question, it is perfectly acceptable to request some thinking time - just say 'May I please take a minute to consider my answer?'. In the unlikely case you do not find anything after that, explain that you are unsure what to say; but also walk the interviewer through your thought process of your best guess.
    3. Thirdly, aim to speak more slowly. When you are anxious, your hear rate goes up and you naturally start speaking at a higher pace, which is problematic in that this simply means taking less time to think as you answer. This naturally reduces how articulate and confident you seem, especially since speaking quickly more often leads you to losing your chain of thought or expressing yourself in unclear language. As such, try to slow down. Also, use strategic 2-3 second pauses in your speech to add emphasis to points and to get valuable thinking time as you are moving between the different parts of your answer.
    Finally, know that just by getting to the AC you have proven yourself to be one of the very best candidates out of a huge pool, which means you have all it takes to succeed! Best of luck :)!
     

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