TCLA Vacation Scheme Applications Discussion Thread 2024-25

[Chill_solicitor]

quick q, does anyone know how many offices/in how many countries freshfields has? I've briefly mentioned it as 33 because that's what legal cheek says, but now i've seen 28 reported on a different website, and i checked FF website, and counted their offices and got 30, but that included Manchester, which Idk if it counts as an office, or if there's others like that etc 😭

it's not that important so I might just remove it, unless anyone knows for sure.

You could just say ‘a plethora or offices…’ or like ‘with over 20 offices…’

 

[Cool pigeon]

Hi @Andrei Radu and all,

I have a pre recorded VI with a US firm. I'm not too worried about the questions themselves but I have a tendency to speak in a monotone voice when I am nervous during video interviews. For some this may be perceived as a lack of enthusiasm and confidence.

Will this be marked against me if my answers are still clear, concise and well structured? Basically I'm trying to find out what the criteria is for a video interview? If anyone has any insights I would appreciate it.

Thanks

I think firms differ.
White & Case for example, grad rec said they purely listen to the content of your answer. She said she often listens to it as a podcast not even looking at the screen. But then others I know they want you to make direct eye contract with camera etc. I would just say if possible, try to use hand gestures and emphasise words. No harm in trying to make it more dramatic i guess.

You could just say ‘a plethora or offices…’ or like ‘with over 20 offices…’

I think its better to be specific. Plethora can be copy and pasted between every law firm. I dont know the answr sorry. but do try find it if you want to mention it

 

[Star Light]

If I have not heard back from Mayer Brown after job simulation, is it a PFO or are they sending our invites staggered? I am a bit concerned because I realised I did not receive an email to confirm completion after the assessment.

 

[trainee4u]

Anyone done the NRF Arctic Shores? Same as Gowling's?
My feedback from Gowling was:

"How you understand others": 4/4 - I always do well on emotion recognition games
"How you respond to change" 1/4 - I'm sure this is from reacting too slowly or wrongly in the press x/y type games
"How you attend to tasks & decisions" 1/4 - I'm not sure what this relates to specifically
"How you approach challenges" 3/4 - I think this is spending too long on the game at the end.
"How you identify patterns & rules" 4/4 - I will have performed very well on the maths stuff

So my concern is that research proves that reaction times decline with age and I'm 40+.

NRF have asked "If you have require any reasonable adjustments please do let us know as soon as possible and we can look at what adjustments cant be made."

I'm slightly confused by this because they say on their form that "We’re positive about employing disabled people and are an accredited Disability Confident Employer. As a Disability Confident organisation we offer interviews to disabled people that meet the minimum criteria for our roles."

On that basis I therefore disclosed that I have ASD (although I don't have a formal diagnosis, I would likely get one), so I'm a bit confused now about this, in that I've already disclosed a disability so there's some second-guessing perhaps on whether I should request an adjustment. In addition, I don't think that the people at Arctic Shores have considered that their games are age discriminatory specifically, and it says on the Arctic Shores page only that any of the following may warrant an adjustment and/or additional time:

"▶ ADHD ▶ Autism ▶ Chronic Fatigue Syndrome ▶ Dyscalculia ▶ Dysgraphia ▶ Dyslexia ▶ Dyspraxia ▶ Epilepsy ▶ Mental Health Issue ▶ Multiple Sclerosis ▶ Physical Disability"

but age is not listed there.

I'm very much in doubt that it would be a good idea to email NRF and say "hey, your testing discriminates on the basis of age, which is illegal", even though it's obvious that it does. So maybe I just email and say "I'd like more time for the split-second games on the basis of ASD meaning I have slower reactions" [even though this is probably scientifically much less certain than the age issue, lol]? Anyone with experience dealing with this?!

 

[johnnysins]

I thought the invites were for Spring

I am pretty sure they are for spring, CIP for my Weil application I received the invite a week after everyone else and I am pretty sure it was because I applied stating I was okay with both spring and summer and they pushed my application to Summer. The same should be for Goodwin since especially since I applied 14 minutes before the deadline closed - or so shall I convince myself to cope 🥲

 

[jacksollaf]

Anyone received a response for Baker Summer VC? In their email, they said they would send invites to online tests in jan.

no, they should send them out tomorrow 99.9999% sure; because I emailed them about it and they told that they will do their best to send them by 10th of January...

 

[jacksollaf]

Is anyone still waiting on HSF? If so have you emailed about any update?

I didn't email them but last year they send out AC around the third week of jan I think so could be hearing soon ... I didn't email because id rather extend my joy of anticipation of good news, instead of just asking and them saying you got PFOd. 😂 😂

 

[Amiyrerose]

Im also waiting to do mine soon haha

I’m scared 😭 how are you feeling ?

 

[jta227]

Anyone done the NRF Arctic Shores? Same as Gowling's?
My feedback from Gowling was:

"How you understand others": 4/4 - I always do well on emotion recognition games
"How you respond to change" 1/4 - I'm sure this is from reacting too slowly or wrongly in the press x/y type games
"How you attend to tasks & decisions" 1/4 - I'm not sure what this relates to specifically
"How you approach challenges" 3/4 - I think this is spending too long on the game at the end.
"How you identify patterns & rules" 4/4 - I will have performed very well on the maths stuff

So my concern is that research proves that reaction times decline with age and I'm 40+.

NRF have asked "If you have require any reasonable adjustments please do let us know as soon as possible and we can look at what adjustments cant be made."

I'm slightly confused by this because they say on their form that "We’re positive about employing disabled people and are an accredited Disability Confident Employer. As a Disability Confident organisation we offer interviews to disabled people that meet the minimum criteria for our roles."

On that basis I therefore disclosed that I have ASD (although I don't have a formal diagnosis, I would likely get one), so I'm a bit confused now about this, in that I've already disclosed a disability so there's some second-guessing perhaps on whether I should request an adjustment. In addition, I don't think that the people at Arctic Shores have considered that their games are age discriminatory specifically, and it says on the Arctic Shores page only that any of the following may warrant an adjustment and/or additional time:

"▶ ADHD ▶ Autism ▶ Chronic Fatigue Syndrome ▶ Dyscalculia ▶ Dysgraphia ▶ Dyslexia ▶ Dyspraxia ▶ Epilepsy ▶ Mental Health Issue ▶ Multiple Sclerosis ▶ Physical Disability"

but age is not listed there.

I'm very much in doubt that it would be a good idea to email NRF and say "hey, your testing discriminates on the basis of age, which is illegal", even though it's obvious that it does. So maybe I just email and say "I'd like more time for the split-second games on the basis of ASD meaning I have slower reactions" [even though this is probably scientifically much less certain than the age issue, lol]? Anyone with experience dealing with this?!

Reaction time is also partly genetics anyways - some people of the same age will have worse than others with little potential for improval. Not sure if those margins are enough to make a difference in Arctic Shores but I'd guess yes. I really don't believe reaction time is very useful as a city law predictor anyways and moreso think they just want a method to cut candidates down, but then again I'm not their GR and Arctic Shores claims their research is sound.

Regarding ASD, I remember hearing of a candidate that was exempt from the face part of Arctic Shores because of Autism, can't remember which firm though. Always worth asking them (lack of diagnosis might be an issue? they might not ask for proof at test stage but if you get a TC they might). Gowling's didn't have a face section IIRC, NRF has quite a few more sections than Gowling.

Btw for Gowling I got 4/4 in everything and one 2/4 but didn't get a VI, NRF I got notably worse than that and got through.

 

[LawLawLawLawLaw]

does anyone have any advice on SJT and online tests? i feel like i fall down everytime i get to this stage - i practice them but dont seem to get any where!!

 

[UNKNOWN803]

Is anyone still waiting on HSF? If so have you emailed about any update?

Just got PFO'd post test, so no news is good news

 

[wqueens8]

for a personal statement or cover letter, is it recommended to use subheadings?

 

[trainee4u]

Regarding ASD, I remember hearing of a candidate that was exempt from the face part of Arctic Shores because of Autism, can't remember which firm though. Always worth asking them (lack of diagnosis might be an issue? they might not ask for proof at test stage but if you get a TC they might). Gowling's didn't have a face section IIRC, NRF has quite a few more sections than Gowling.

Btw for Gowling I got 4/4 in everything and one 2/4 but didn't get a VI, NRF I got notably worse than that and got through.

Hmm,
Gowling told me

Assessment length
5 tasks, ~5-10 mins each

NRF have told me

Assessment length
4 tasks, ~5-10 mins each

AIR for Gowling I got:
* curve/straight + odd/even reaction time game
* arrows reaction time game
* place and rotate the shapes so that they resemble the previous shape rotated 90 degrees
* fit the tetris pieces
* face recognition
* safe cracking
* maths reactions: pop the bubbles that sum to -42, etc.

that seems to be more than 5 tasks, but IDK.

 

[ren1110]

no, they should send them out tomorrow 99.9999% sure; because I emailed them about it and they told that they will do their best to send them by 10th of January...

Thank you for response - I was wondering how long they took to reply to your email, I emailed them regarding something about my application a week ago but they still have not responded.

 

[xxx]

for a personal statement or cover letter, is it recommended to use subheadings?

It is unnecessary by any means (and wastes space/ word count) but you should open the paragraph by indicating what it discusses. That always seemed to go well in the initial app stage.

 

[jacksollaf]

Thank you for response - I was wondering how long they took to reply to your email, I emailed them regarding something about my application a week ago but they still have not responded.

I sent them an email on the 9th of December, to which they replied on the 12th of December... It was a really long email too; they'll respond soon I'm sure, they're probably still catching up with new year/holidays emails... Interestingly, when I interned with them this summer, they emphasised that they have a three-day response policy, by that I mean that they should reply to emails within three days of receipt... Idk if this only applies to solicitors though

 

[jta227]

Hmm,
Gowling told me

Assessment length
5 tasks, ~5-10 mins each

NRF have told me

Assessment length
4 tasks, ~5-10 mins each

AIR for Gowling I got:
* curve/straight + odd/even reaction time game
* arrows reaction time game
* place and rotate the shapes so that they resemble the previous shape rotated 90 degrees
* fit the tetris pieces
* face recognition
* safe cracking
* maths reactions: pop the bubbles that sum to -42, etc.

that seems to be more than 5 tasks, but IDK.

Yeah I don't remember either of them having only 4-5 tasks. Maybe by "task" they actually mean area of assessment in the report, since my Gowling report has 5 sections and my NRF one has 4 (although each section has many subheadings)

 

[pepsicola96]

Last question from me i promise guys 😭 you're all so helpful

I'm still filling in the freshfields app. It only seems to be possible to add one degree. I changed my course after a few months of first year, so I usually Add it as a second degree, and put details in mitigating circumstances sections.

Should I a) add it as a year of my second degree, e.g 1) Politics 1st Year grades: xxxxx( even though this is my last course) 1) Politics 2nd Year grades: xxxxx (these would be first year grades of my politics course). And then detail the situation in mitigating circumstances.

Or should I b) just explain the situation in the mitigating circumstances box.

Don't want to mislead or leave out any information and have it come back to bite me, but also feels equally odd to put the grades for a different degree under my current degree.

 

[Andrei Radu]

@Andrei Radu Hey Could I please get your advice on something really quickly. I am writing a cover letter for Travers (1000 words max). I was wondering if you had any resources in mind that would be useful and in general if you had any advice. That would be really useful, thank you

For research, some sources for a quick overview would be the firm's Chambers UK 2025 Profile, the Chambers Student Profile, and TCLA Law Firm Profile. Try to identify two or three unique selling points of the firm that you can connect to your motivations and experiences. Besides this, for writing, I recently compiled a list of questions to ask yourself as you are writing/reviewing an application - they implicitly showcase what I think is most important for obtaining a high quality application.

In terms of generally applicable questions, a few I would list are:

1. Am I answering every question in such a complete, persuasive and clear manner that I would find no issues with it, even if I reviewed it with a purpose of finding as many inadequacies as possible?
2. Is my style of writing formal enough that it could be published in a Reuters or Financial Times article?
3. Is my structure and writing clear enough that a normal person would get every point I am making on a quick read/skim?
4. Is my use of language so concise that there is no possibility of expressing my ideas with a better word per added value ratio? Am I sure there aren't any phrases and words that I could cut while keeping the essential information there?
5. Am I linking my main motivations with examples of experiences?
6. Am I being very specific when describing the nature of my motivations and the activities in my experiences?
7. Am I using a STAR structure when describing my main experiences?
8. Am I demonstrating the relevance of my experiences and skills by making plausible connections to the role and responsibilities of a trainee at the firm I am applying at?

 

[Jessica Booker]

When an application asks: is this law-related work experience, does this just mean professional law roles like interning in a legal department or completing a vac scheme? That was my initial interpretation but I am now wondering about roles I have taken within law societies and tutoring law modules - it seems counterintuitive to say these roles are not law related? Please could somebody help, thanks!

I would not include society roles.

The law tutoring is a bit of a grey area, but I suspect they mean providing legal advice in any capacity rather than topic.