TCLA Vacation Scheme Applications Discussion Thread 2024-25

@Jessica Booker Hi Jessica, I had a question about doing a vac scheme in Dubai and what it would mean to potentially accept a TC offer if I am offered one. For background, I'm an EU national (not pre-settled as moved to the UK for uni in 2021), and my family is based in the UAE. It would be a scheme for a very big UK law firm, and one of the four seats would be in London, confirmed. I would also be doing my SQE in London, as the firm would be sending me to be with the UK cohort.

I wanted to ask firstly whether, from your experience, if I ever wanted to return to London it would be near impossible or very difficult to move that way, and whether trainings outside of London, in Dubai or Hong Kong, are seen as being less intensive or taken less seriously.
 

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@Jessica Booker Hi Jessica, I had a question about doing a vac scheme in Dubai and what it would mean to potentially accept a TC offer if I am offered one. For background, I'm an EU national (not pre-settled as moved to the UK for uni in 2021), and my family is based in the UAE. It would be a scheme for a very big UK law firm, and one of the four seats would be in London, confirmed. I would also be doing my SQE in London, as the firm would be sending me to be with the UK cohort.

I wanted to ask firstly whether, from your experience, if I ever wanted to return to London it would be near impossible or very difficult to move that way, and whether trainings outside of London, in Dubai or Hong Kong, are seen as being less intensive or taken less seriously.
Moving between the UAE and London won't be impossible, but it won't necessarily be straight forward either.

Although you will be qualified in England and Wales, your experience will be predominately on UAE matters rather than English law matters, which will make it somewhat more difficult to compete with associates in the English job market who will have more experience in local matters. It will depend on what area of law you qualify into and also how supportive the firm you train with are in willing to either allow you to move on further secondments or permanent moves to London. It is likely to be far easier to move with your existing employer than with a new one, and therefore you may want to look at how many of their current lawyers in London are people who trained in the UAE.

It will also depend on the job market at the time you want to move - if there is high demand for lawyers it will be easier.

Your training will not be seen as less intensive or taken less seriously though. It is just in a different jurisdiction, with different clients. The major benefit you will have though is that you will be qualified within England and Wales.
 
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Hi, I was wondering what the best way to answer 'why commercial law' is?

I gave a verbatim answer at an AC I did recently where I outlined my interest in chronological order of my work experience and how this has sparked my interest - as this is what was recommended in the Jake Schooger book.

However, I received negative feedback for this answer. For those who have been successful at AC, how did you approach the 'why commercial law' question?
 

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Hi, I was wondering what the best way to answer 'why commercial law' is?

I gave a verbatim answer at an AC I did recently where I outlined my interest in chronological order of my work experience and how this has sparked my interest - as this is what was recommended in the Jake Schooger book.

However, I received negative feedback for this answer. For those who have been successful at AC, how did you approach the 'why commercial law' question?
Sometimes this approach can be longer than is necessary. Motivations can come from outside of your work experience too.

Instead I would focus on no more than 3 of they most influential aspects that have contributed to your decision for the career. This will keep your answer more focused. Sometimes it will make sense to put these in chronological order, especially if they contributed to one another, but there can be more logical ways of presenting things depending on what you decide to talk about.
 

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Hi @Jessica Booker i applied for a paralegal role and was instead offered month long placement which seems like a red flag as i have legal experience and a vacation scheme as well as non-legal experience in hospitality. They mentioned this will basically assess me for a permanent role. Why cant an interview do this instead? Is this normal? thank you
 

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Hi @Jessica Booker i applied for a paralegal role and was instead offered month long placement which seems like a red flag as i have legal experience and a vacation scheme as well as non-legal experience in hospitality. They mentioned this will basically assess me for a permanent role. Why cant an interview do this instead? Is this normal? thank you
Is the placement paid?
 

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Hi, I was wondering what the best way to answer 'why commercial law' is?

I gave a verbatim answer at an AC I did recently where I outlined my interest in chronological order of my work experience and how this has sparked my interest - as this is what was recommended in the Jake Schooger book.

However, I received negative feedback for this answer. For those who have been successful at AC, how did you approach the 'why commercial law' question?
I’m not an expert by any means at interviews or anything but there are a few things that have crossed my mind. Firstly, I don’t think it’s ideal to rehearse and memorise answers to specific questions in advance of an interview. It is very tempting when preparing for an interview or an AC to plan 100% scripted responses and give verbatim answers in interviews. I think this will inevitably work against you. Instead, it might be better to have a few points in mind that you intend to make. 🥲

I say this because interviewers will most likely ask their questions in different ways and it’s not easy to anticipate the sort of answers they are looking for. I guess it’s a key skill that they assess in seeing how flexible and responsive someone is to their questions. For example, ‘why commercial law’ could mean ‘why do you want to become a commercial lawyer?’ or ‘why are you interested in commercial law?’ It could also mean ‘why specifically commercial law and not a different career?’ 🙂

In my interviews, I tried to focus my responses on a few things: (1) my understanding of what commercial law is and why it appeals to me, (2) what initially sparked my interest in commercial law and why, (3) what I did to develop my interest in commercial law and (4) why I would like to pursue commercial law as a career as a result of these things. Of course it’s not possible to have perfect answers, but I approached it with this methodology and it seemed to have been received well. 😅

I think these posts by the TCLA forum GOAT @Andrei Radu would be useful for future ACs and interviews. I have utilised his advice in my preparation and it has helped me so much in navigating my approach to interviews. I had no idea how to begin preparing, primarily because this was my first cycle of applications. I believe that his ideas were paramount to my success in this cycle. I would recommend that everyone takes the time to read these posts tbh. I will quote them below: 🐐
This is a guide for the purposes of preparing for competency interviews, be they in a VI, another intermediary step or an AC/final stage interview. The advice here is based on my personal approach, as I received VS offers from top US/MC firms 4/4 times I implemented it. This will include:
  • A general step-by-step preparation guide
  • Specific advice on preparing for VIs
  • Specific advice on preparing for final stage competency interviews

A. The Step-by-step preparation guide

The essential method and process is the same, though you may want to vary the amount of time you invest in preparation at each step depending on the whether this is a VI, an intermediary or a final stage interview.

Step 1 - Preparing ideas for answers

The first and most difficult step in preparing for interviews is learning how to respond to a wide variety of questions. Of course, you cannot prepare beforehand for all potential variations of all potential interview questions. Furthermore, you do not want to learn answers by heart and then just repeat them in front of the interviewers - they are likely to sound robotic. However, by investing a substantial amount of time thinking about how you would go about answering to as many different questions as possible, you start learning how to describe your motivations and experiences in a flexible manner. This decreases the chances that you will be caught off-guard by any given question. It also increases the chances that, even if you have not prepared for a question you are being asked, you will find a somewhat sensible answer to it.

The first thing I would do when invited to an AC/interview (and for a video interview, but not in the same level of detail) would be to try to build a question bank to practice on. I would create a Word doc with a few big headings (like 'CV based questions’, ‘competency questions'; 'motivations/firm-specific questions', 'commercial awareness questions', situational judgement questions' etc) and firstly write down all the questions I could think of under each relevant heading. I would then look at my CV and find try to think of how I could leverage my experience to answer those questions. Finally, I would write 2-3 short bullet points answers under each question - I have found this helps with memorizing the ideas for your answers. This enabled me to (i) have the ideas ready to go in my mind for a high number of questions and (ii) to still sound natural as I had to go through the though process of formulating an answer in the actual interview (as I would not memorize a particular way to articular the ideas I noted down). It is also worth mentioning that at this step I would prepare particularly well for the questions I thought were very likely to come up (such as Why commercial law, Why the firm, Why me etc).

The second part of my preparation at this step involved searching for interview question banks on the internet - such as the one offered by TCLA here. While reading them, I would spend around 30 seconds on each question thinking of potential ways of answering them. I would then copy the questions I was having particular difficulty with and add them under the relevant heading in my word document. After finalizing this process, I would once again look at my CV and spend a longer amount of time thinking how to best answer each of them. Then, I would note down my ideas in short bullet points.

The final part was similar to the second, with the only difference being that I would search directly for examples of past questions asked by the firm I was interviewing at - resources that were useful were this TCLA forum and Glassdoor.


Step 2 - Practicing articulating your answers

Once I had found the right ideas as to how to answer most interview questions, the second step of preparation involved improving my ability to articulate them. Despite the initial awkwardness of this method, I have found it incredibly useful to simply turn my laptop's camera on, pick one question at random, give myself a few seconds to think, and then record my answer. Subsequently, I would watch the recording with as critical an attitude as possible to see the parts I was struggling with the most. Then I would repeat this process again and again until I was happy with the way I was answering a given question.

A point worth noting is that as I was deciding at random which question to respond to, I would try to tweak the specific phrasing of the question in my mind. Thus, instead of just learning how to answer 'Why do you want to pursue a career in commercial law?', I would learn to answer many variations of the same type of question, such as 'How did your interest in commercial law originate?', 'Why commercial law rather than another area of the law?', 'Why do you want to be a commercial solicitor rather than a commercial barrister?' and so on. Once again, by following this approach, I would learn how to be flexible in formulating my ideas to best suit the exact question the interviewer would be asking me.


Step 3 - Mock interviews

Especially for any AC/final stage interviews, mock interviews are an incredibly useful preparation tool. After you have improved your interview skills as much as you could by firstly preparing your best ideas for answers, and then preparing the best way to articulate them, you should now seek to further improve both your ideas and your capacity to communicate them by getting feedback from others. Hence, if you can find someone with VS/TC interview experience (or even just experience with commercial law/interviews in general), it would be helpful to get them to do a mock interview for you.

Moreover, getting more familiar with the 'interview experience' beforehand contributes a lot to your ability to calm your nerves and do your best on the big day. As such, I would advise you to reach out to people who could help you with this, even if they are not part of your immediate circle. You will be surprised how many people will be willing to help you out!


Step 4 - Getting into the right mindset

Finally, although this may sound a bit cliche, try to go into the interview with a positive attitude. Remind yourself that just by reaching this stage, you have demonstrated to be an exceptionally competitive candidate. Acknowledge the fact that since the firm chose to meet you out of so many other applicants, it means you have everything you need to succeed - whether that means success with this firm or another.

Finally, although I appreciate how hard it may be, try to not put an excessive amount of pressure on yourself. Meditate on your journey and how far you've come and accept that as long as you do your best, you will have nothing to blame yourself for. Going through these thought processes the night and morning before the interviews helped me a lot with reducing my anxiety and my improved my ability to show a composed yet enthusiastic attitude.


B. Additional advice for VIs

Although they do differ on a firm-by-firm basis, VI questions tend on the most part to be more formulaic and predictable than at final stage interviews. This is a factor that is worth taking into consideration when considering how to prepare. The questions that come up in VIs tend to be in one of the following categories:
  • The classics: Why you, Why the firm, Why commercial law - these almost always feature in one form or another. Make sure to have a very well-prepared answer.
  • Further motivational questions: Why did you initially decide to study law, What other careers did you consider, What do you like and dislike about different types of work, what practice areas/sectors are you interested in etc.
  • Competency questions: Tell me about a time you demonstrated teamwork skills/time-management/innovation/creative thinking/integrity etc.
  • Situational judgement questions: What would you do in X scenario (eg. you have multiple competing deadlines and you feel your work product will suffer as a result).
  • General commercial awareness question: tell us about a news story you have been following and what are its impacts on the economy/the legal market/the firm/the firm's clients, what is a business you admire, who are the firm's competitors? why do the firm's clients keep coming back to the firm?
  • Curveballs: Besides variations of these types of questions, the only other type of question you should prepare for is potential curveballs. However, you can't really predict a curveball, so the only thing you can do it to try to train yourself to think quickly and be flexible in how you leverage your experience. To prepare, search for curveball interview question banks, pick questions at random and do your best to try to come up with sensible answers.
My general advice would be to invest the most of your preparation time in practicing until you have really well-rehearsed answers for the most common questions in each category. Besides that, I have listed here two pointers which were significantly helpful in elevating my VI performances:
  • One of the biggest issues most candidates face is being flexible with their pre-prepared answers around the specific time limit of each VI. Try to get to a point where you can, on the spot, answer both the independent questions and the broader combinations of questions in 1 minute, 1.5 minute, and 2-minute timeframes. Then record yourself and assess your performance. The more you do this, the more will you improve your ability to answer different variations of questions in varying timeframes.
  • Do not overcommit when you first start answering a question. This was by far the biggest issue for me last year. I would try to be structured and signpost, so I would start my answer by saying 'I will give you three/four reasons why ...'. However, midway through articulating my answer I would realise I did not have enough time to comprehensively state what I indented to. Thus, I would have to either sacrifice on the quality of my explanations, or just not talk through everything I said I would, neither of which is a good look. As such, when in doubt, go for less rather than more. Your purpose should not be to blow away the recruiters, but to simply communicate good substantive points in a clear, concise, and composed manner.

C) Additional advice for final stage interviews:

The first pointer for more specific final stage interview preparation is about further researching the firm. At a final stage interview, you should expect a lot of scrutiny and sometimes pushback on your motivations for why the firm and your understanding of its operations. As such, you should invest time into refreshing and then researching the firm a lot more than you did for the purpose of the written application.

In terms of areas that you should focus on with the further research, I would include the following:
  • The basic facts: these include some important pieces of information that you should simply know about the firm, as they can easily come up at one point or another in a final interview. This includes the firm’s London practice areas, spread of international offices, global practice area/sector reputation, core clients, financial results, history in the City and international expansion, any announced strategy changes etc.
  • Facts around your motivations for why the firm: research to find out if the unique selling points (USPs) you have identified in your written application are actually truly unique, or it they apply (at least to a certain extent) to other firms as well. If they do, look for ways to further individualize the firm in that regard. You should also just look for any recent news or developments related to those USPs. Moreover, consider whether the personal substantive interests you have linked with the firm’s USPs can withstand scrutiny, and the degree to which any of your experiences support this. Anticipate follow-up questions and pushback and prepare for this.
  • General firm-related news: essentially, you want to be informed around any important events that may be of relevance to your understanding of the firm. These include any big new deal/cases that the firm has recently advised, any big clients it has won, top partners poached from rival firms (whether here or in other important jurisdictions), partners the firm lost to its rivals, legal press awards/rankings, financial performance of different practice areas.
Unexpected but commonly encountered questions: I will list here some ‘categories’ of questions that I was personally surprised to see take such a significant part of my final stage competency interviews. In retrospect, I know these are some of the questions I would advise my past self to better prepare for:
  • CV-based questions: the general advice here is to be prepared to explain and answer follow-ups about any experience or achievement you have written on your CV, even if you have not referred to it in your application or interview. This applies to experiences in the more distant past as well – around half of one of my VS interviews was based around two non-law related competitions I participated in when still in high school.
  • Academic-focused questions: your interviewer will expect you to know your academic pathway well and to be highly reflective about it. Be prepared to talk about your GCSE performance, reasons behind your A-levels subject choices and performance, reasons for your university degree choice and module choices, and an explanation of your performance and general experience in individual modules and in the degree in general.
  • Applications strategy: you should be able to explain to the interviewer what other firms you have applied for and lay out a cogent application strategy. The reasons behind your application to other firms should (to the greatest possible extent) also apply to the specific firm you are interviewing with. To the extent they do not apply to the chosen firm, you should be able to explain why your ‘why this firm’ reasons trump the ‘why the other firms’ reasons.
  • Practice areas understanding: your interviewer will expect you to understand the operations and basic features of the firm’s most important practice areas. You should understand what exactly the legal service is that a particular practice provides, how it differs from services provided by the other practices, why do the clients need it, who the main clients in the space are, and what the usual tasks are at each level of seniority (trainee, junior associate, senior associate, partner).
  • Legal market knowledge: while very detailed knowledge of the legal market is not necessarily expected, it is definitely desirable, and you will get bonus points if you are able to show it off. Regardless, you should still be able to place the firm in the context of the competition in three main ways: (i) know which are the most similar firms to the one you are interviewing with in terms of general features – what ‘type’ of firm it is, and how does it differ from the other ‘types’?; (ii) know who the firms toughest competitors are in each of its main practice areas – who else is a market leader?; (iii) are there any significant shifts happening in the market? Even if not directly related to the firm, moves like Pau, Weiss’ unprecedented London expansion, Allen & Overy’s merger with Shearman Sterling, Latham & Watkins’ string of exists, Slaughter and May’s problems with the ‘best friends’ model, and Freshfields’ US expansion and recent rebrand are all big changes which change the dynamics of the legal market and that you should therefore be aware of.
My top tip would be to focus on doing well and not on being perfect. Many people go to ACs thinking they need to blow away the partners and the recruiters to succeed, but I think this is the wrong attitude to have. First of all, while your achievements and skills might be impressive for this stage, it is quite unlikely you will manage to overly impress anyone no matter how hard you try - you will know a lot less about any given commercial law subject than lawyer in the firm. Secondly, this attitude will make you feel even more stressed than you would normally be and will therefore likely impact your performance. If you will be assessed for a total time of a few hours, it is impossible to be perfect in every moment. When you notice an imperfection in an answer, the right reaction is to acknowledge it but then to move past it and make the best of the rest. Instead, the overly perfectionistic candidates tend to stress about it a lot more than they should, and in attempting to fix the initial mistake they do a lot more harm to their progression chances. People with this mindset thus often end up creating negative feedback loops for themselves: they make a small error, then they begin overthinking it, which decreases their self-confidence, which impacts their next answer, which in turn further intensifies their anxiety; a series of events which can end up completely derailing one's performance.

To avoid this, instead of aiming to excel everywhere, I would simply aim to perform well - to do a good job on every task and score well on every relevant assessment criterion. This boils down to using your preparation to make decent substantive points and communicate them in a clear and confident manner. If you manage to do this you will have performed better than the majority of candidates and in most cases should be enough to get you progressed - it did for me 4/4 times. If you reframe your task in this way, I think you should feel a lot less anxious about it: while perhaps it is difficult to convince yourself that you will pull of an extraordinary performance, you should feel a lot more confident in being able to respond sensibly to tasks and to cover all your bases well.

A final piece of advice I have for calming down on the day and to avoid blanking out is to take your time:
  1. Firstly, taking your time before starting your answer. Instead of just jumping into a response the instance the interviewer stops speaking (which is a very natural temptation) take 3-4 seconds to think about and structure your answer. This will significantly decrease the number of times you find yourself blanking out mid-answer or having difficulty finding the right way to end a sentence.
  2. Secondly, if you have difficulty with finding sensible points for a question, it is perfectly acceptable to request some thinking time - just say 'May I please take a minute to consider my answer?'. In the unlikely case you do not find anything after that, explain that you are unsure what to say; but also walk the interviewer through your thought process of your best guess.
  3. Thirdly, aim to speak more slowly. When you are anxious, your hear rate goes up and you naturally start speaking at a higher pace, which is problematic in that this simply means taking less time to think as you answer. This naturally reduces how articulate and confident you seem, especially since speaking quickly more often leads you to losing your chain of thought or expressing yourself in unclear language. As such, try to slow down. Also, use strategic 2-3 second pauses in your speech to add emphasis to points and to get valuable thinking time as you are moving between the different parts of your answer.
Finally, know that just by getting to the AC you have proven yourself to be one of the very best candidates out of a huge pool, which means you have all it takes to succeed! Best of luck :)!
Hi @ashwright and huge congrats on getting to the interview stage 🥳 🥳 I am sure you will nail it! My best advice for you to avoid sounding robotic is to not memorize your answers during your preparation. Instead, I think you should simply aim to remember how to link key competencies/motivations with aspects of a wide set of your experiences, and then to practice as much as you can coming up with good answers on the spot. This way, you will develop the most important interviewing skill of all: an ability to express your thought in articulate manner even if you have not considered the issue in the past. I believe this is essential because (i) no matter how much you prepare, it is unlikely that every single question you will be asked will be one you have memorized an answer for; (ii) even if they are, it is unlikely the exact form and framing of every question fits the specific phrasing you have memorized; and (iii) even if you are extremely lucky in this regard as well and everything fits perfectly, given the nerves you will naturally be experiencing during the interview, it is likely you will inadvertently deviate from your pre-prepared 'optimal' answer, which might then make you overthink the issue and end up derailing your entire performance.

More generally, to keep calm on the day, I have two central pieces of advice: to focus on doing well, not on being perfect, and to aim to speak at a slower pace. I have explained these two tips in a lot more depth in a previous post, I will quote it bellow:
 
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Do not think so as they said voluntary
Definitely a red flag then, and probably reportable to both the SRA and HMRC.

If it was paid, then I personally wouldn't have an issue with it, as it wouldn't really be any different to a vacation scheme.
 

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Hi @Jessica Booker i applied for a paralegal role and was instead offered month long placement which seems like a red flag as i have legal experience and a vacation scheme as well as non-legal experience in hospitality. They mentioned this will basically assess me for a permanent role. Why cant an interview do this instead? Is this normal? thank you
This is likely to be illegal.

See https://www.gov.uk/guidance/national-minimum-wage-work-experience-and-internships and here


In general, unpaid work shadowing is legal so long as the role is limited to 'shadowing' (no work).

Something like https://www.kingsleynapley.co.uk/careers/early-careers/work-experience

is poor practice because the intern is performing actual work, but is probably not illegal so long as the intern is legally a volunteer (this is different from a "voluntary worker", who also does not necessarily need to be paid; a voluntary worker is a "worker" who works for a voluntary organisation such as a charity, whereas a volunteer is someone who does not meet the legal definition of worker). In KN's case, while the 4-week work experience is long, it does not appear to be tied to any promise of future work (such a promise is likely to be a benefit-in-kind, changing your status from 'volunteer' to 'worker') so is somewhat reasonable.

Also the length of the placement is a factor - a week's unpaid placement is less likely to be problematic, but the longer it gets the more likely it will be that you are a worker and thus entitled to NMW; in Hudson v TPG Web Publishing, a six-week one was found to be unlawful https://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/may/23/unpaid-website-intern-court-victory

One approach would be to take up the placement and then take your case for unlawful deduction from wages to the ET (3 months minus one day time limit) or County Court (six-year time limit) to get paid for your month. But this might burn bridges, IDK.

The concept of them working you a month for free as an opening for them to possibly offer you further poorly-paid work is particularly egregious and I think that some kind of action against them is a good idea, whether it is reporting to SRA, HMRC, etc.
 
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Hi, I was wondering what the best way to answer 'why commercial law' is?

I gave a verbatim answer at an AC I did recently where I outlined my interest in chronological order of my work experience and how this has sparked my interest - as this is what was recommended in the Jake Schooger book.

However, I received negative feedback for this answer. For those who have been successful at AC, how did you approach the 'why commercial law' question?
If you don’t mind me asking, what was the feedback? Did they say your response sounded rehearsed or did they not like the story format?
 

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The feedback was very generic unfortunately. The interviewers ranked each answer 1-3 and I got the lowest score for this question is all I know.
It may not be the structure - it may be the content that is also the issue. People can have great structures to answers but if there rationale is lacking, it can be that element that lets them down. Sometimes rationale can be quite superficial or alternatively not really aligned to the opportunity of a trainee/junior lawyer.
 

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even though firms say that the cappfinity tests are not timed, do you think they consider how much time an individual takes to finish that test into consideration? I sometimes think that I may not pass some tests because I take too long to give these tests :)
I would check how they describe the assessment. If it is described as untimed, it is unlikely that time taken to complete it would be factored in. However, if it says it has unlimited time, then timings might be factored in.
 

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