TCLA Vacation Scheme Applications Discussion Thread 2024-25

[broalabear]

Okay got another Watson Glaser Q, this time a deduction.

Q: All Real Estate assets are either very large or located in central areas, but not both. While no apartment is untrendy, all trendy RE assets are very large.

D: Trendy real estate assets are either located in non-central areas or are small.

The answer says that the conclusion follows, but I'm confused.

The first part makes sense, [RE Assets = Very Large or Centrally Located, and, since all Trendy Assets = large, Trendy RE Assets have to be non-central]. But the second part makes no sense to me. We know that all trendy RE assets are very large, therefore, they cannot be small?
I mean, logically, yes the Trendy RE Assets have to either be in non-central areas or they have to be small. But when the question quite literally states that all trendy RE assets are very large, then they obviously can't be small, can they?

 

[trainee4u]

Okay got another Watson Glaser Q, this time a deduction.

Q: All Real Estate assets are either very large or located in central areas, but not both. While no apartment is untrendy, all trendy RE assets are very large.

D: Trendy real estate assets are either located in non-central areas or are small.

The answer says that the conclusion follows, but I'm confused.

The first part makes sense, [RE Assets = Very Large or Centrally Located, and, since all Trendy Assets = large, Trendy RE Assets have to be non-central]. But the second part makes no sense to me. We know that all trendy RE assets are very large, therefore, they cannot be small?
I mean, logically, yes the Trendy RE Assets have to either be in non-central areas or they have to be small. But when the question quite literally states that all trendy RE assets are very large, then they obviously can't be small, can they?

The key is the word OR.

For example:

enter javascript:alert("hello") into your browser URL. It will pop up "hello"

then try

javascript:true&&alert("hello")

this also pops up hello

now what happens if you try

javascript:true||alert("hello")

NOTHING!

The && operator means "and". To evaluate the result of true AND <something> you need to carry out the <something>

The || operator means "or".

So if you evaluate the expression true OR <something>

then given that the left hand side of that expression is true, it doesn't even bother continuing to the right hand side, and the alert("hello") is not executed, because there's no point.

It's exactly the same here.

["trendy real-estate assets are located in non-central areas" (true)] OR ["i saw mommy kissing santa claus" (false)] = true

The left hand side of the OR is true, and therefore the right-hand side is irrelevant and the statement overall is true, and the deduction follows. (You could reverse the order of course, it makes no difference: the full logic table is
true OR false
false OR true
true OR true
while only false OR false results in the deduction not following.)

 

[missTCLA]

If anyone has insights on this, Id really appreciate it. I have a video interview with Dentons, and i don't know whether it is timed or untimed. It says " Once you start the video interview you will need to complete all the questions in one sitting. The interview consists of 5 questions, which you record your own answers to in a two-minute time frame." - Does this mean I will be able to see the questions then record whenever I am ready? Or does this mean I see the question and have a few seconds to think about it and will record automatically ? Ive seen different things about this and I'm confused... if anyone got any info on this, id appreciate it as the deadline is v close...

 

[Amma Usman]

Has anyone had an interview end very quickly? The interview was scheduled for an hour but only lasted for about 30 minutes which was a bit disheartening

It doesn’t necessarily need to be a cause for concern. It could just mean that you answered their questions well, and they didn’t feel the need for follow-ups or further clarification. Sometimes, interviewers get what they need quicker than expected!

 

[Amma Usman]

If anyone has insights on this, Id really appreciate it. I have a video interview with Dentons, and i don't know whether it is timed or untimed. It says " Once you start the video interview you will need to complete all the questions in one sitting. The interview consists of 5 questions, which you record your own answers to in a two-minute time frame." - Does this mean I will be able to see the questions then record whenever I am ready? Or does this mean I see the question and have a few seconds to think about it and will record automatically ? Ive seen different things about this and I'm confused... if anyone got any info on this, id appreciate it as the deadline is v close...

I’m not entirely sure about Dentons in particular, but I’d presume the question will be visible while you’re recording, or at least during the preparation time. In most interviews - including in-person ones - you’re usually given a pen and paper to jot down key points, so I’d imagine you could write the question down as well. That said, it’s best to check with graduate recruitment to confirm, as I can’t say for sure.

 

[Amma Usman]

WOW!!! Winkworth Sherwood has sent me a PFO at 1am😍😍 May God bless them!!

Indeed a very good night ://

I’m sorry to hear that! Rejections always sting, but they don’t define your worth or potential. Keep pushing forward; the right opportunity will come at the right time. You’ve already achieved so much, and this is just a small bump in the road.

Onwards and upwards!

 

[Amma Usman]

Hi, just a quick question, I was looking at the PMC DTC app, they are not asking to upload a CV nor are they asking for any work experience or grades? There are only a few questions to answer. Their portal is a bit weird.

Was this the the same for you all?

Thank you

If that’s the case, you could find a way to weave in your work experiences and the skills you’ve gained as a result within your answers. For example, if a question asks you to explain a time when you demonstrated teamwork, you could reference something you did as part of a group, whether in a work setting, university or extracurriculars, using the STAR method to structure your response. This way you can still highlight your experience and qualifications even if they don’t explicitly ask for them.

 

[Amma Usman]

I was looking at the Payne Hicks Beach DTC app and they say on the app that ac’s would be conducted on 8 9 10 April. Considering the deadline is tomorrow midnight, isn’t that too soon for them to be able to get back to us?

Anyone heard from them already? I’m just trying to figure if it would make sense for me to submit my app today and if they are non rolling?

Thanks!

Honestly, you could give the application a shot and submit it, you never know. I know of people who have submitted late and still gotten offers. Especially since this firm hasn’t explicitly stated their stance on late applications, I think that reinforces the idea that you could give it a try.

As for how soon they will get back to you, I can’t say for sure. Sometimes firms reach out and your assessment centre is in three weeks, while other times it could be in just two days. I would say refine your interview skills as well as prepare for specific components like consistently improving your commercial awareness. These are like muscles that need constant flexing.

Best of luck, you’ll do great.

 

[Amma Usman]

@Ram Sabaratnam @jessicabooker @Amma Usman @Andrei Radu Could you please provide some tips on completing a candidate profile ahead of a vacation scheme. What sort of things would you put in Work experience, Interests and activities section?

It depends on the word count and how much you’re comfortable sharing. A good balance is usually a mix of professional experience, educational background, and a fun or unique hobby/interest.

For work experience, focus on roles that demonstrate transferable skills like teamwork, leadership, or problem-solving, even if they aren’t strictly legal. For interests and activities, highlight things that showcase your personality and soft skills, such as sports, creative pursuits, or volunteering. Including something distinctive can also make you more memorable.

 

[Amma Usman]

WBD Leeds AC!!!

Genuinely in shock, I have been applying for VS/TCs for 4 cycles now & always getting rejected post-app. This is my 2nd AC this cycle alongside 2 VI & 1 TI. For those struggling this cycle don’t give up, I have always lived by ‘what is for you will never go past you’ & this won’t go past you!!!

Congrats, well deserved! It’s amazing to see your hard work paying off.

As for preparing, if you could share more details about the components of the assessment centre, I can give more specific advice. If the firm hasn't mentioned, I would presume a competency interview will be part of it or a variation where you'll need to demonstrate specific competencies. In that case, make sure you brush up on not just your experiences, but the skills you've acquired and how they apply to the training contract.

For anyone still struggling this cycle, don’t give up! I love your mindset - 'what is for you will never go past you' - and it’s so true. This opportunity won’t pass you by either, you’ve got this!

 

[Amma Usman]

SPB rejection post AC. This was my last law firm application of this cycle so this one really hurt. Feeling very depleted right now. I got through to 3 ACs but failed them all. It’s only my first application cycle but the fact I failed every AC is really upsetting.

I totally sympathize with you - it’s tough, especially when you've invested so much time and effort into your applications. But remember, you didn’t fail, you’ve just learned something new with each interview. Even if you can’t see it immediately, every experience adds something to your growth. It’s completely natural to feel this way.

There’s a psychological theory called the "growth mindset" by psychologist Carol Dweck. It suggests that qualities can be developed over time through effort, learning, and persistence. We often expect immediate results, but growth is not linear. It can feel invisible at times, but it builds up gradually and shows up when you least expect it. In the context of your experience, although it might not seem like it now, every interview and assessment centre has helped you improve, even if it’s not obvious yet.

So, instead of viewing this as a failure, see it as part of your development. You’ve gained experience that will help you in the future, and it’s all part of the process. Keep pushing forward; success often comes when you least expect it, and you are absolutely on the right path!

 

[Amma Usman]

Pfo from WBD too and my amberjack score was pretty decent, with average numerical and excelled in verbal 😕 I have lots of paralegal experience and a first in my RG law degree (I know lots of people are in the same situation with a good degree classification and experience, so this doesn’t necessarily stand out) but just a bit surprised at not having progressed past second stage with any apps in my first London cycle 🥲 I genuinely had way better luck in applications as an undergrad with hardly any experience !

I hear you, and it’s sometimes frustrating when it feels like you're doing everything right but still not getting the outcomes you want. First off, I want to acknowledge how impressive your achievements are - having a first in your law degree and paralegal experience is something to be really proud of. It's easy to feel disheartened, especially when things don’t go as expected, but this cycle doesn’t define you or your future.

As you’ve already experienced success with applications in the past, this is just a temporary setback. Your previous achievements show that you have what it takes to succeed. The fact that you're reflecting and staying motivated shows a level of self-awareness that will serve you well. Keep pushing forward, because the right opportunity is out there, and sometimes it takes a few more attempts to land the perfect fit. You’ve got this, and your persistence will pay off!

 

[Amma Usman]

SPB VAC SCHEME offer!!

Woohooo!

 

[Amma Usman]

Hey! I know DAC Beachcroft is good for insurance, but do not know much about the firm's competitors. If anyone has insights into this that would be really helpful!

Hey! DAC Beachcroft is indeed well-regarded for insurance, but some of its key competitors in this space include Kennedys, HFW (Holman Fenwick Willan). These firms also have strong insurance practices and are known for their expertise in handling insurance-related matters. Clyde & Co is another major player in this area, especially with its global reach and focus on insurance, reinsurance, and litigation.

It’s worth looking into these firms to see how their insurance practices compare in terms of the sectors they focus on, their clients, and the work culture.

I’ve also created a guide on this question here - https://www.thecorporatelawacademy.com/forum/threads/guide-to-identifying-a-law-firm’s-competitors.9422/

Hope that helps!

 

[User5678]

@Amma Usman thank you so much for all of your replies! Yes, the rejections sting (especially at 1am😂😂) but we move on and do better!!

Sorry to disturb you at 3am😭

I have gone ahead and submitted the application, thank you for the advice! Noted your point on mentioning work experience in answers

You’re so lovely and helpful!!

I’m sorry to hear that! Rejections always sting, but they don’t define your worth or potential. Keep pushing forward; the right opportunity will come at the right time. You’ve already achieved so much, and this is just a small bump in the road.

Onwards and upwards!

If that’s the case, you could find a way to weave in your work experiences and the skills you’ve gained as a result within your answers. For example, if a question asks you to explain a time when you demonstrated teamwork, you could reference something you did as part of a group, whether in a work setting, university or extracurriculars, using the STAR method to structure your response. This way you can still highlight your experience and qualifications even if they don’t explicitly ask for them.

Honestly, you could give the application a shot and submit it, you never know. I know of people who have submitted late and still gotten offers. Especially since this firm hasn’t explicitly stated their stance on late applications, I think that reinforces the idea that you could give it a try.

As for how soon they will get back to you, I can’t say for sure. Sometimes firms reach out and your assessment centre is in three weeks, while other times it could be in just two days. I would say refine your interview skills as well as prepare for specific components like consistently improving your commercial awareness. These are like muscles that need constant flexing.

Best of luck, you’ll do great.

 

[TCpleasex]

Congrats, well deserved! It’s amazing to see your hard work paying off.

As for preparing, if you could share more details about the components of the assessment centre, I can give more specific advice. If the firm hasn't mentioned, I would presume a competency interview will be part of it or a variation where you'll need to demonstrate specific competencies. In that case, make sure you brush up on not just your experiences, but the skills you've acquired and how they apply to the training contract.

For anyone still struggling this cycle, don’t give up! I love your mindset - 'what is for you will never go past you' - and it’s so true. This opportunity won’t pass you by either, you’ve got this!

Thank you so much!

The email said that details of the AC will be provided nearer the time. My AC isn’t until until May so I was going to do general firm/AC/commercial prep until specifics have been given.

I’ve never done a virtual AC before, do you have any advice on how to approach this compared to in person?

 

[Chris Brown]

Okay got another Watson Glaser Q, this time a deduction.

Q: All Real Estate assets are either very large or located in central areas, but not both. While no apartment is untrendy, all trendy RE assets are very large.

D: Trendy real estate assets are either located in non-central areas or are small.

The answer says that the conclusion follows, but I'm confused.

The first part makes sense, [RE Assets = Very Large or Centrally Located, and, since all Trendy Assets = large, Trendy RE Assets have to be non-central]. But the second part makes no sense to me. We know that all trendy RE assets are very large, therefore, they cannot be small?
I mean, logically, yes the Trendy RE Assets have to either be in non-central areas or they have to be small. But when the question quite literally states that all trendy RE assets are very large, then they obviously can't be small, can they?

I guess it’s based on the word ‘or’. It says all RE Assets are either (1) very large or (2) located in central areas. It can only be one or the other. It can’t be both. The requirement is that only one needs to apply. 😅

The deduction also uses the term ‘or’, by suggesting trendy RE Assets are either (1) located in non-central areas or (b) very small. Based on the Q, it isn’t possible for trendy RE Assets to be small (they are all very large).

As a result, we need to check whether trendy RE Assets are located in central or non-central areas. Since the Q states RE Assets are very large, they can’t be located in central areas, so must be located in non-central areas. 🙂

I think the use of the word ‘or’ is deliberate to trip people up into thinking it necessarily has to be both (1) and/or (2). In fact, it just needs to one of the two. All trendy RE Assets are very large, so we can completely ignore the word ‘small’.

This is my understanding. Then again, I’m not an expert at WGT. I have only passed one this cycle (HL). That was a miracle tbf. 😂​

 

[legallady123]

I hear you, and it’s sometimes frustrating when it feels like you're doing everything right but still not getting the outcomes you want. First off, I want to acknowledge how impressive your achievements are - having a first in your law degree and paralegal experience is something to be really proud of. It's easy to feel disheartened, especially when things don’t go as expected, but this cycle doesn’t define you or your future.

As you’ve already experienced success with applications in the past, this is just a temporary setback. Your previous achievements show that you have what it takes to succeed. The fact that you're reflecting and staying motivated shows a level of self-awareness that will serve you well. Keep pushing forward, because the right opportunity is out there, and sometimes it takes a few more attempts to land the perfect fit. You’ve got this, and your persistence will pay off!

Thank you very much for your kind words 😊

 

[Overthinker123!]

Hi all, I have an AC next week and one of the tasks is a situational interview. From my understanding, the partner will give me a situation they’re working on or a legal trend/hot topic to understand my thought process on finding a solution and advice for a client. Would appreciate any tips on how to best approach this. Thanks

@Ram Sabaratnam @Andrei Radu @Amma Usman

 

[Arenaria]

Has anyone heard from RWK yet? Getting close to the vacation scheme and I've not even heard about a VI - should I expect the worst?