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Anyone got any advice on what one could include in a response to this question - there is no skills/why you question for Addleshaw, so could this be mentioned here ?
Use this space to tell us about any mitigating circumstances that you might have, or any other information about you that might be relevant to your application.
 

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Anyone got any advice on what one could include in a response to this question - there is no skills/why you question for Addleshaw, so could this be mentioned here ?
Use this space to tell us about any mitigating circumstances that you might have, or any other information about you that might be relevant to your application.
@Jessica Booker might be able to give you a more certain answer, but I think the natural interpretation of the wording of the second part of the sentence allows for 'why you' type answers. Work experiences/extracurriculars/achievements definitely count as 'any other information' as long as they have not been mentioned elsewhere on the form, and if they demonstrate important skills for the role then they are definitely 'relevant to your application'.
 
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Would it be worth applying for HL's summer vac scheme while waiting to hear back from Lift Off? The website says explicitly to wait to hear back from Lift Off but the deadline for the VS is approaching and I'm not sure what to do
This is just my personal view, but I would say to follow instructions and wait for the outcome until the last three-four days before the deadline. In the meanwhile, you can prepare the application and have it ready to go. If they do not respond before the very last few days then I would then submit it. This way, you (i) respect the instructions for as long as possible while (ii) also ensuring you have submitted a summer VS application that still has a good chance of being seriously considered (as the vast majority of applications are sent in the last two days, so you should still be stand out from most of the crowd).
 
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I submitted my Latham app a while back and did not receive an email about the SJT. I logged onto all hires today and see there is an assignment to do (the SJT). I'm not sure if the 72 hour rule applies or not, would this affect my app?
In the confirmation email that I received, mine had a sentence at the bottom saying I had 3 days to complete it, but I needed to log back in to do the test. I did not receive a separate email about the test so I would say read your confirmation email line by line to check.
 
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@Jessica Booker might be able to give you a more certain answer, but I think the natural interpretation of the wording of the second part of the sentence allows for 'why you' type answers. Work experiences/extracurriculars/achievements definitely count as 'any other information' as long as they have not been mentioned elsewhere on the form, and if they demonstrate important skills for the role then they are definitely 'relevant to your application'.
Thanks @Andrei Radu - very helpful !
 
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Does anyone know if Charles Russell Speechlys offers more training contract seats and D&I projects in London?
@Andrei Radu, @Amma Usman and @Ram Sabaratnam do you guys have any insight?
Perhaps @Amma Usman or @Ram Sabaratnam will know more, but having had a quick look on their website and some other publications with applications information, I could not find any precise figures regarding the distribution of the TC offers across offices. All I could find is that CRS will offer around 25 TCs in London, Guildford and Cheltenham. I would suspect that the reason the firm does not publish more data is that the number of TCs offered by each office is not fixed, but varies depending on their changing needs and market conditions.

All that being said, I would still suspect that generally London gives the most TC offers and also has the most D&I projects - for most firms, London simply is the biggest and most profitable UK market. For a firm with a large private wealth practice like CRS, I would assume that is even more so the case, as a lot of HNWIs reside in London.
 
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Bit of odd question, I am doing the video interview course on TCLA as well. Does anyone know any videos/link showing a successful video interview answer? I am confused by the 1 minute time limit for CMS vi, I don’t think I will be able to mention 3 points in any answer like why law why firm etc. I am really struggling with the level of detail I need to include in my answer? should i just mention 1 point for every question then?
I unfortunately do not know of any successful short video interview answer links (though I will tag @Amma Usman and @Ram Sabaratnam in case they do), but I completely emphasize with your struggles. Having to respond to "loaded" VI questions (which in fact include 2 or 3 broad sub-questions) is very difficult in such a short amount of time. I think the only way to do so is to sacrifice both the depth and the breadth of your answer. Your can limit breath in the way you mentioned, by mentioning only one point instead of your usual two or three for each sub-questions.

You can then also limit on the depth of explanation of each point. For instance, for a 'why the firm' point, say you would normally go on an elaborated narrative as to how your interest in a given practice area originated, how you went about exploring it, how you then realised what are its substantive features that differentiate it from other practices and also attract you, and then explain who the given firm is a market leader in the practice area and is better than its rivals. Now, considering the time constraints and other questions you have to address, you should instead simply state something like 'The main reason I am attracted to your firm is it's strong X practice area, which is demonstrated by their Chambers and Legal 500 recognition. I am attracted to it because of Y (state distinguishing feature in a few words), as illustrated by Z experience (state the basic subject matter of the experience in a few words)'. This way, you should be able to formulate your point in 15-20 seconds.

Finally, I understand how this type of answer may feel unconvincing and underdeveloped. But given the time constraints, you do not have much choice, just as other candidates won't. Thus, the recruiters reviewing your application will adjust their expectations based on that. I think your answer will be fine as long as you (i) have at least one decent substantive point for each sub-question and (ii) are quite clear when stating the relevant motivation in short form.
 
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I have just realized that I accidentally inputed the wrong job description into the work experience section i.e. title and date of role doesn't match the description. Is it worth emailing grad rec and pointing it out or should I leave it and hope they don't notice?
Unless (i) this is a quite important work experience and (ii) the description itself would not suffice for the graduate recruitment team to realise the error and still be able to understand your work experience, I would not email them. The only benefit of emailing them is clearing out any important confusion, while the certain downside is that you are pointing out a mistake that they might otherwise not notice.
 

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    Would it be worth applying for HL's summer vac scheme while waiting to hear back from Lift Off? The website says explicitly to wait to hear back from Lift Off but the deadline for the VS is approaching and I'm not sure what to do
    This is a dilemma for me too. They're literally rolling basis yet delaying LiftOff results so much whilst saying you should wait to hear first... imagine finding out you didn't get LiftOff then sending a perfectly good application for the VS and getting told "we already had enough candidates to offer places"
    I spoke to a member of GR a few weeks ago who said that they recommend submitting off the VS app! When I asked about when we can expect to hear back for Lift Off, Dec 20 was the date given. I'm not sure if that was the specific day we'll hear back or if that's just the latest date. Personally, I am thinking of waiting for LiftOff results but I'm still not super sure. 😊
     
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    I spoke to a member of GR a few weeks ago who said that they recommend submitting off the VS app! When I asked about when we can expect to hear back for Lift Off, Dec 20 was the date given. I'm not sure if that was the specific day we'll hear back or if that's just the latest date. Personally, I am thinking of waiting for LiftOff results but I'm still not super sure. 😊

    I'll probably just write the app and have it ready to send 2 weeks before the rolling deadline. I don't know why grad rec and their website would say the opposite things, that's not very helpful :(

    At the end of the day if you submit an application and then get the LO programme you can just consider it free practice and a guaranteed assessment day before the other VS applicants get a reply I suppose haha
     
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    Does anyone know if Charles Russell Speechlys offers more training contract seats and D&I projects in London?
    @Andrei Radu, @Amma Usman and @Ram Sabaratnam do you guys have any insight?

    Hiya @AS24

    Great question! Building on what @Andrei Radu mentioned, I can confirm that CRS does take on more trainees in its London office compared to other locations and that trainees in London often have access to a wider range of seat options (which is worth considering when thinking about the kind of work you'd like to experience during your training contract). If you're applying to the London office, it might be helpful to reflect on why this location/office stands out to you, particularly in terms of the practice areas it is known for.

    Regarding DEI initiatives, while it's hard to say definitively whether the London office offers more DEI projects compared to other offices, I did get the impression that the London is actively involved with organisations like Aspiring Solicitors. I was also particularly impressed by the number of pro bono matters that London trainees are able to get involved in. If you get the chance, I’d recommend reaching out to current trainees or attending any CRS events to get more insights into what’s available in the London office. I remember doing so when I applied and found many of them to be lovely and very approachable. They were also quite helpful in terms of allowing me to understand the seat selection process and ongoing DEI efforts at the firm. Hope that helps, and good luck with your application!
     
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    Bit of odd question, I am doing the video interview course on TCLA as well. Does anyone know any videos/link showing a successful video interview answer? I am confused by the 1 minute time limit for CMS vi, I don’t think I will be able to mention 3 points in any answer like why law why firm etc. I am really struggling with the level of detail I need to include in my answer? should i just mention 1 point for every question then?

    Hiya @Gg2001! 😊

    Just wanted to add to the great advice from @Andrei Radu. He's spot on about keeping your points concise given the time limit!

    While I don’t know of any templates for successful video interview answers, I found a really useful tool from ULaw that might help: ULaw Video Interview Practice Tool. It lets you practice actual video interview questions asked by law firms and simulates the format and timing constraints, which is really helpful for getting comfortable with the process. I used it myself, and it was a great way to prepare by creating a realistic interview environment. If you’re looking for another option, you could also record yourself on your phone or laptop. Watching your recordings back is a great way to refine your answers and build confidence in speaking on camera. Best of luck with your vide interview!
     
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    Hi everyone,
    does anyone know how long is ideal for the S & C cover letter? I'm at about 950 words which I can squeeze into one page at font nine but it feels too long. They don't have any guidance on their website but considering what other firms like S & M say, surely this is too long?

    Any help would be appreciated.
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    Any advice on this question?

    The legal industry is evolving rapidly with advancements in artificial intelligence, particularly in generative AI, which has the potential to revolutionise legal research, document drafting, and even client interactions. At Shoosmiths, we’ve been working with AI for years and know a thing or two about what responsible AI can do in the real world. We lead the conversation on innovation and use our expertise to help drive change where it matters. It’s why we don’t ban the use of AI in trainee solicitor application forms.

    Effective communication and being detail oriented are essential skills for succeeding as a trainee at Shoosmiths, and an application form is the first opportunity you have to communicate as your authentic self. You may choose to use generative AI as a tool to assist you in developing your own original and thoughtful responses, but you should never simply copy and paste answers from the internet.




    At Shoosmiths, we place a high value on originality of thought, creativity, and innovation. Successful applications will be personal; you’ll demonstrate genuine effort and unique perspectives, as well as giving the reader a true sense of why you are applying for the role. You’ll also show how your strengths will help shape the future of the firm.

    We view the responsible use of AI as something that can strengthen your abilities, fostering creativity and refining ideas, rather than a shortcut to replace authentic input.

    How do you expect to use generative AI tools to enhance your effectiveness as a solicitor in the future?

    If you have, you may also choose to include specific examples of how you have utilised generative AI to elevate part of your application to Shoosmiths, in this answer.

    Hiya @hanz123

    To tackle this question effectively, I think it’s important to focus on concrete ways generative AI could enhance your effectiveness as a solicitor, rather than talking in broad terms (e.g. saying things like that it would make you “efficient” or “more productive”). The question also makes several prompts, including its emphasis on Shoosmiths' commitments to originality and personal insight, so your response might reflect thoughtful consideration of how AI might practically support your work in cultivating these skills/qualities.

    To start, I'd encourage you to think about specific tasks where generative AI could play a transformative role. For example, rather than simply stating that AI can speed up document review, client onboarding, or drafting, you could emphasize how its ability to do these things will help free up time for you to focus on the more strategic aspects of being a good lawyer, e.g. allowing you to learn how to negotiate during transactions/cases, build client relationships, or develop comprehensive legal strategies.

    You might also reflect on how generative AI could help you communicate more effectively, another skill that Shoosmiths' questions prompts you to consider. How do you think AI tools could, for instance, assist in drafting initial versions of client updates or memos by helping you organise complex legal concepts into clear, client-friendly language. Do you think generative AI could play an important role in helping lawyers break down barriers to communication, and what role do you think this might have for the way lawyers build relationships with clients, the matters they work on, and so forth?

    If you’ve already used generative AI, this is a great opportunity to provide a specific examples since the question expressly invites you to do so. Perhaps you used AI to brainstorm ideas, or perhaps you utilised it to understand certain industries/sectors. I'd recommend using an example which shows how you thoughtfully adapted the AI-generated output to ensure it reflected not only your resourcefulness but also your ability to approach AI responsibly.

    Finally, try to address the question’s forward-looking element by discussing how your use of generative AI might evolve over your career. For instance, as a trainee, you could see it supporting tasks like research or due diligence, but as you gain experience, you might rely on it for even more sophisticated roles, such as analysing legal trends to offer clients proactive advice or exploring creative solutions to novel legal challenges. By framing AI as a tool to elevate your work rather than replace your efforts, you’ll demonstrate that you understand how to integrate innovation into legal practice thoughtfully and responsibly. I'd recommend having a look at how some law firms are using 'technology incubators' as a way to apply and develop generative AI tools in the work they carry out and enhancing their firms' business development strategies.

    Good luck and let us know if you have any other questions!
     
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    Ram Sabaratnam

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    Hi everyone,
    does anyone know how long is ideal for the S & C cover letter? I'm at about 950 words which I can squeeze into one page at font nine but it feels too long. They don't have any guidance on their website but considering what other firms like S & M say, surely this is too long?

    Any help would be appreciated.
    Thanks

    Hiya @C_AJH

    The requirements might have changed, but Kirsten Davies (Recruitment Manager at S&C) mentioned that candidates should write a concise letter that's no more than one side of A4. Hope that helps and good luck!
     

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