TCLA Vacation Scheme Applications Discussion Thread 2024-25

Andrei Radu

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Quick question for @Andrei Radu - could I check what Davis Polk‘s expectations of academics are? Is a first necessary or will a high 2:1 suffice? Equally, are you aware of how the firm treats mitigating circumstances?
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The firm does not require a first, as recruiters have told me they only expect a strong 2.1. In my vacation scheme, I knew there were people that did not have overall 1.1s, so I think this is a genuine statement of recruitment policy. I was told that the firm will consider candidates who do not have a high 2.1 as well if they have mitigating circumstances, but I am not aware of any particular policies in this regard. While I have no further information on this, I think it is general practice with City firms to consider them on a case by case basis. Generally, I would expect that the way mitigating circumstances can effect progression is in a case where an application scores really well on all other relevant assessment criteria and the candidate only slightly falls off from a normal required academic standard. Thus, I have heard of a number of cases where people with lower than required A level results ended up receiving TC offers.
 
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Just to bring this back. Any advice for the time to take for preparation on a VI where there is no limit?

Is 15 minutes ok for each question? Just thinking of that as a maximum.
I don't think you should necessarily limit your preparation time. If there is no limit imposed by the firm, I would simply take as much time as I needed to perfect both my substantive points and the way I expressed them. Now, while I don't think there's much to be gained by spending hours doing mock answers for each question, I would also say that if a particular question feels more challenging, there's nothing wrong with taking 30 minutes instead of 15. Conversely, if you receive a question you are already well-prepared for, you may be fine starting in 3-4 minutes rather than 15.
 

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    The firm does not require a first, as recruiters have told me they only expect a strong 2.1. In my vacation scheme, I knew there were people that did not have overall 1.1s, so I think this is a genuine statement of recruitment policy. I was told that the firm will consider candidates who do not have a high 2.1 as well if they have mitigating circumstances, but I am not aware of any particular policies in this regard. While I have no further information on this, I think it is general practice with City firms to consider them on a case by case basis. Generally, I would expect that the way mitigating circumstances can effect progression is in a case where an application scores really well on all other relevant assessment criteria and the candidate only slightly falls off from a normal required academic standard. Thus, I have heard of a number of cases where people with lower than required A level results ended up receiving TC offers.
    So if I have a 2:1 (65%) should I not apply?
     

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    Hello, I was wondering if anyone knows any experiences of international students - Aka those that did their bachelor's abroad but are trying to secure a training contract in London. I am wondering, are people with outside bachelor's disadvantaged?

    I know law firms group graduates in Oxbridge and Russel group etc, but I am not entirely sure about the international status. Does anyone have any input they could share?
     
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    So if I have a 2:1 (65%) should I not apply?
    I think a 65% is a very borderline case - the firm used language like 'strong' or 'high' 2.1 without describing exactly what this translates to numerically. On forums, I have seen people describe grades in the 60-63% region as low 2.1, 64-66% as middle 2.1 and 67-69% as high 2.1. However, I have never seen firms use the term of so-called 'middle' 2.1s, so I'm not sure the same scale is used by recruiters. They may be operating with a simple low/high distinction, where 65% sits just at the middle.

    My personal view is that if you like the firm and can write a great application in a time-efficient manner, it is still worth a shot. Even if a 65% ends up not being counted as a 'high' 2.1, it will be very close to it, and generally recruiters have some discretion for such situations - especially if you also have any mitigating circumstances.
     

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    Hello, I was wondering if anyone knows any experiences of international students - Aka those that did their bachelor's abroad but are trying to secure a training contract in London. I am wondering, are people with outside bachelor's disadvantaged?

    I know law firms group graduates in Oxbridge and Russel group etc, but I am not entirely sure about the international status. Does anyone have any input they could share?
    If you look at the firms you like on Legal Cheek you will be able to see the % of current trainees that are international. There is a surprisingly high number if you consider the number of trainee recruits.
     

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    Work Experience Section of Application
    How does everyone structure their answers in the work experience section of applications? I have been bullet pointing my responsibilities and then writing a few words on what I got out of the role.

    Do any of you tie these answers into the firm you're applying to? Or do any of you answer this section any differently? Grateful to get responses from people who have successfully received VS's and TC's.
    For shorter/less substantive work experiences (say, a Forage course) I think a few sentences describing the nature of the main tasks you completed will suffice. For longer/more substantive experiences (say, a part time job or internship) I think you would ideally use the STAR structure: describe the situation of the job (how you applied, context etc), tasks you were assigned, actions you took to complete them, and any results in terms of feedback or performance metrics. I would also sparingly make some inferences as to skills this demonstrates.

    As for your other question, I think you can connect the experience with the firm, especially if there are any overlaps with your 'why the firm' motivations or the firm's USPS. However, I would only do so where there is a natural way to connect the two instead of pulling at straws. The other point I wanted to make here is to be mindful of how you make use of the work experience in application form answers to avoid being repetitive.

    For your use, I copied here one of my more substantive work experience answers I used in one of my successful applications. I did not make use of the full STAR structure because I already explained the context and my feedback in one of the application form, but I thought the example may still be useful:

    During my one month at X firm, I mainly worked in the Litigation and Corporate departments. In litigation, I gained experience in complex cross-border disputes by conducting extensive legal research into the validity of choice of court clauses, workplace discrimination and fictitious accounting. I also honed my public speaking skills by preparing and delivering a 30-minute presentation in front of the entire firm. Together with a fellow intern, I discussed the cases in which a lawyer can be legally obligated to testify as a witness against his own client.

    In corporate, I improved my attention to detail by researching and then drafting client emails about the validity of powers of attorney issued before a change in a company’s management. I also enhanced my understanding of complex M&A deals by conducting research on the legal implications of a subsidiary acquiring the parent company with a consequent reduction in share capital.

    Finally, I developed my organisational skills by completing cross-departmental tasks, such as sending weekly emails to the entire firm with a summary of recent legislative and regulatory changes for each practice area.
     

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    For interview questions that are 'what would you do' in a certain situation - do we need to give an example from our experience that relates to the question?
    For these questions I think it is normally not necessary to speak a lot from your own experience. The aim of the interviewer is more to see if you have structured way of considering an action plan when dealing with a problem or situation you have not encountered before and if you are generally aware of the resources and support you can use in the firm. It is also meant to test out a number of skills, such as thinking on the spot, problem-solving, initiative, and collaboration. I would thus simply focus on doing the best job of walking the interviewer through my thought process while showcasing these desired attributes. To the extent any points you are making can be further supported by something you have learnt from an actual experience, that is of course helpful to add, but I would not be continuously searching for these examples while answering the question.
     

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    Kirkland VI - any advice?
    Hi! Congratulations!!! I received an invitation for the VI as well. Do you have any tips on how I should prepare for it? Thanks!
    Does anyone have advice about the Willkie VI?
    I do not have any advice specific to Kirkland, Willkie, or Weil, but since a number of people have been asking for VI advice I thought it may be useful to link again my Guide to Competency Interviews. It is based on my and other successful candidates' experiences and includes a step by step VI preparation guide and a list of top tips to keep in mind as you are completing it. In my experience, most VIs are quite similar, and by following this approach I got progressed 4/5 times.
     

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    Does anyone have advice on this BCLP question?

    "Please describe a time where you showed courage in the face of adversity. What was the situation and how did you react?"

    I'm not really sure what the firm means by "show courage". Would this just be a resilience response or are they looking for something more?
     

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