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TCLA Vacation Scheme Applications Discussion Thread 2024-25
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Hiya @lolololol
I know the waiting process can feel a bit uncertain, but I’d suggest giving it a little more time, especially since it’s only been a couple of weeks since the 4th of October. Many firms take a bit longer to review applications, especially if there’s a large volume. If you haven’t heard back in another 2 weeks or so, it could be worth sending a polite follow-up email to check on the status of your application. Best of luck, and I hope you hear back soon!
Spring and Summer. AC's are going on already for WVS I believe (from what's already been posted here).
@Andrei Radu or @Ram Sabaratnam
Can I ask if there's something similar to this but for VIs instead of AC interviews?
Can I ask if there's something similar to this but for VIs instead of AC interviews?
Well done.
I would assume this is a rejection for myself as I have not received a VI I applied 20/09.
Are people still receiving W&C VI? if so there is still hope.
Ashurst no reply post test 22/09 and people get interviews. The process is very cruel at times when they know they do not want to progress you yet leave you hanging.
To be fair they gave someone a VI yesterday so all hope is not lost yet. Doesn't look hopeful though I agree.
Bird & Bird Post WG PFO. Quite gutted as it was the only good piece of news I’ve had since starting this journey.
Does anyone have any good tips for tackling the WG? I’ve been practising but clearly not enough
Does anyone have any good tips for tackling the WG? I’ve been practising but clearly not enough
Is there any point applying to a from in which you’ve been rejected for thier open day? Because surely there’s a higher threshold for vacation schemes? Has any one experienced this?
@BonanzaBih_ Hey, I've quoted the above post from @Ram Sabaratnam about how he couldn't secure an open day but ended up getting a vac scheme at Cooley - hope this gives you some motivation!Just building on what @Jessica Booker said in response. It’s great that you’re considering both the open day and the vac scheme! Your concern about potentially waiting a long time to hear back about the open day and the impact that might have on your vac scheme application also makes sense. Like Jess, though, I'd suggest waiting until you've made the open day application, especially if you feel that attending the open day will give you additional insights and help you strengthen your vacation scheme application.
Alternatively, I don’t think attending the open day is strictly necessary to write a compelling vac scheme application. If you've written strong, well-researched answers, there's no harm in applying for the vac scheme now. For context, when I was applying to Cooley, I was unsuccessful in securing an open day, but made it through to the vac scheme during the same application cycle. Whatever you decide, best of luck with both applications! Feel free to reach out if you have any more questions
Hi, I used this link someone posted last year.Bird & Bird Post WG PFO. Quite gutted as it was the only good piece of news I’ve had since starting this journey.
Does anyone have any good tips for tackling the WG? I’ve been practising but clearly not enough
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I used this guide and found it helped me look at the test more holistically. It’s also helped with my critical thinking more broadly. I hope this helps. Otherwise loads of practise with Assessment Day or JobTestPrep.
Good luck!!
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Bird & Bird Post WG PFO. Quite gutted as it was the only good piece of news I’ve had since starting this journey.
Does anyone have any good tips for tackling the WG? I’ve been practising but clearly not enough
Hi @SamiyaJ
Sorry to hear about the rejection – it's definitely frustrating, especially when you’ve been putting in a lot of effort to master this aspect of the application process. The Watson Glaser test is tricky for many, but I think with the right approach, you can definitely improve your performance on these.
Understand the style of reasoning required for each section: As I'm sure you already know, the Watson Glaser test covers five areas: inferences, recognising assumptions, deduction, interpretation, and evaluation of arguments. While doing practice tests is a great start, it's far more important to fully understand the subtle differences between these question types. One thing I've noticed is that many applicants often struggle to understand the difference, for instance, between deductions and inferences. Doing successive practice tests without understanding the type of reasoning required of each section could ultimately frustrate your efforts. So the first thing I'd suggest is really taking time to think about what the section is asking for and why certain answers are correct or incorrect.
Identifying Premises and Conclusions: A particularly helpful strategy is learning how to break down passages into premises and conclusions. This skill is crucial because once you’ve identified the premises (the supporting facts or evidence) and the conclusion (the main point the premises are trying to establish), you can then better identify the assumptions, deductions, or inferences that relate to the passage. Many questions in the Watson Glaser test revolve around how the conclusion is derived from the premises, and spotting this relationship will put you in a much stronger position to answer correctly. I would REALLY REALLY encourage getting into the habit of breaking down anything you read into premises and conclusions. That way, if the question asks about assumptions, you can think more clearly about what's missing between the premises and the conclusion. If it’s about inferences, you’ll need to assess whether a conclusion strongly follows from the premises. For deductions, the conclusion must be an inevitable result of the premises.
Learning Resources: There are great short textbooks that can help clarify the underlying logical concepts and styles of reasoning, and I'd be happy to share some with you. Do let me know. For a more affordable approach, though, you can just use ChatGPT. For instance, you could ask it to provide more examples of each type of question, explaining why a particular answer is a deduction, inference, or assumption. ChatGPT can also help break down the difference between styles of reasoning, helping you understand the difference between, say, a deduction and more probabilistic forms of reasoning. This makes it a useful tool for both learning and practising critical thinking in a more interactive way.
Practicing Under Timed Conditions: Finally, once you feel more comfortable with the test, start practising under timed conditions. Some Watson Glaser tests are timed, so developing both accuracy and speed can be important. But don’t worry about speed in the beginning – focus on getting the logic right first. For some firms, speed will play an important role in determining your percentile score, while others may weigh certain sections or types of questions more heavily.
Overall, it's important to remember that logical reasoning is a skill that we develop, much like any other skill. It will take time, but I've got faith you can do it! Let me know if you have any other questions, and I'd be happy to assist!
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Absolutely!!! I was rejected from Cooley's open day! Please don't let it put you off! There are loads of reasons why firms might have rejected you from the open day, including that you might not have really benefitted from it as much as other candidates and that you might even be better suited to applying directly to the vacation scheme or training contract. That said, I wouldn't submit the same application, but try to improve on any application you've previously submitted to the firm. Good luck!
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I would say the same type of questions apply to video interviews and so this is still a good resource to use.
Then I am even more gutted they rejected me already earlier this week!! 😂
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