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    how are recorded vi generally judged? im overthinking a vi I just did and it defo wasnt my best but I was able to answer all the qs. I was a lil bit nervous so I was speaking a bit faster than usual so im just wondering if anyone with a successful experience is able to guide me as to what grad rec is really looking for? thank you (:)
     

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    I have a question for a 2Birds application.
    One of the questions is: What attracts you to a Trainee Solicitor role at Bird & Bird? What is motivating you to pursue a career at Bird & Bird? (300 words)

    Shall I follow the usual - (i) why commercial law; (ii) why Bird&Bird; (iii) why me?
    Or, is this question particularly asking why I am interested in Bird&Bird?
     
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    I have a question for a 2Birds application.
    One of the questions is: What attracts you to a Trainee Solicitor role at Bird & Bird? What is motivating you to pursue a career at Bird & Bird? (300 words)

    Shall I follow the usual - (i) why commercial law; (ii) why Bird&Bird; (iii) why me?
    Or, is this question particularly asking why I am interested in Bird&Bird?
    This does not need the “why me” part as it’s not asking you for this. This is purely about motivation rather than capability.

    I would also consider covering why the training contract opportunity rather than why commercial law more generally as the question is asking you to specifically cover why a trainee opportunity at the firm is something that is right for you.
     
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    Is WG from Clifford Chance automatic? I applied to their open day which requires the submission of the WG test.

    For anyone interested, I received the WG from NRF a couple of weeks ago. Never received the Arctic Shores email even though I was told I would receive one in the email. I emailed the grad rec team but never got a reply.
    yep CC WG automatic
     

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    This does not need the “why me” part as it’s not asking you for this. This is purely about motivation rather than capability.

    I would also consider covering why the training contract opportunity rather than why commercial law more generally as the question is asking you to specifically cover why a trainee opportunity at the firm is something that is right for you.
    Thank you @Jessica Booker, really reassuring. Do you recommend that I also include why I am interested in Bird & Bird beyond the training contract (e.g., their expertise in IP & AI) - answering the second question a little more?
     
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    Hi everyone and @axelbeugre I was wondering if you could give me some advice on how to tackle the below question for DLA Piper's application please? I am struggling in exactly what it is asking me for and especially the latter part of the question as it doesn't seem I can tailor it specifically to DLA Piper and I don't want to sound generic. How do I structure it that I answer it well. Any tips would be much appreciated thank you in advance.

    If successful in securing a training contract after the Summer Internship, what do you anticipate will be the key challenges of the International Training Programme for you? How would you approach these challenges, and what resources or support do you believe you would need to overcome them? (Max 200 words/1,500 Characters)
    Hey @kr, here some tips:
    1. Since the word count is very low, I would stick to a 2 key points structure. This way you will be able to go more in-depth with tackling the different parts of the question. If you pick more challenges to talk about, you risk not to answer the entire question.
    2. Make sure to pick challenges that are not too specific, keep them very generic and make sure to stress how you would overcome them and what could help you overcome them. I am saying this as if, for instance, you pick attention to detail, which is a key trait to have as a trainee, you can see how that might work against you. On the other hand, if you choose difficulty to adapt to different work streams, this would be a relatable challenge that you will be easily able to overcome with experience. Being a bit generic in these kind of answers help so that you are not shooting yourself in the foot by choosing something that might worry graduate recruitment.
    3. When discussing resources or support you believe would help you to overcome the challenges you decide to mention, this is where you can showcase your knowledge of the firm and make it more specific to DLA Piper specifically. I would look at the firm's opportunities and programs, peer support and everything that might be helpful to talk about. This will ensure that your answer is as specific to the firm as possible. When I was applying to DLA Piper last year, I remember talking about being scared of not being able to fit in as a challenge (again a bit generic) and I linked it to the diversity groups that the firm has and the goals the firm had to enhance diversity in the office and that worked well so I would recommend following something along those lines.
    I hope these are helpful and good luck with the application!
     
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    Hi guys, I am currently applying to Clifford Chance and I was wondering if I could have your opinion on how to approach the question.

    "In no more than 500 words, please tell us about your extra-curricular activities, positions of responsibility and an achievement of importance which you are most proud of. How will these experiences help you excel as a Clifford Chance lawyer?"

    Do you think I should only explain the skills I developed or I should link them to the firm's practice areas/ activities?
    @Jessica Booker and @axelbeugre would love your feedback too.

    Thank you in advance.
    Hi @S87, what I would suggest is:
    • Talk about your experiences, your positions of responsibility and an achievement you are proud of in an exhaustive way and that showcase that you are an excellent candidate, not only academically, but also socially and professionally. Feel free to mention the skills you have gained from these experiences and how they would make you a successful lawyer.
    • Once you managed to do this, then I would link the skills you have gained that will make you a successful lawyer to the firm and how they will benefit you during the training contract at the firm. This can be done through looking at the firm's website and see what are the skills and values the firm appreciates. Additionally, I would also link my background and the skills developed to any opportunities which the firm offers. For instance, when I applied last year I talked about my international experiences and my languages ability and emphasised how those would allow me to excel on an international secondment offered by the firm during the training contract. I hope this example makes you see what kind of connection it will be useful for you to make between your experiences and what the firm as to offer, stressing how these will make you excel as a Clifford Chance lawyer.
    I hope I was useful in some way and good luck with the application process!
     
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    Thank you @Jessica Booker, really reassuring. Do you recommend that I also include why I am interested in Bird & Bird beyond the training contract (e.g., their expertise in IP & AI) - answering the second question a little more?
    Yes - I would focus your answer on why the opportunity (the TC) and why the firm (work, culture, or the environment).
     

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    Btw, just wanted to give my 3 cents on vac scheme applications. The recruitment process for HK Vac schemes operate similarly, so hopefully it will be of some help.

    I applied for 15 firms last year, and guess what? I got PFOs for all of them. I was really doubting my personal ability back then, but the idea that I had 15 PFOs and all my other friends who got vac scheme offers just fuelled me even more to find out what I was lacking.

    1. Cover Letter: Show yourself!
    Looking back, one of the first things I noticed was how bad my cover letters were. I couldn’t showcase myself in any of them. I was basically repeating what I had on my CV, and I couldn’t link it back to the firm. So this time around, I focused on my personal experiences. I drew my experiences abroad and where I lived, and connected to why I wanted a career in commercial law. Similarly, I drew upon my volunteering experiences, my experience as an athlete in high school etc and linked them back to the firm, saying how its training style or work culture would benefit me/be a good fit for them. This way, I can weave in my personal qualities and talk about the firm, without needing a separate paragraph talking about myself.

    Oh btw, never, ever use ChatGPT or any AI bot to write your cover letters.

    2. Quality of Quantity
    People think that more applications = more chances of success. Well you can look at me and basically tell it’s not the case. Last year, I didn’t attend open days or any career events, thinking my grades alone were sufficient. Boy was I wrong. As part of researching the firm, these carer events are super important if you want to learn more about the firm, so always try to go to them, even though you personally aren’t really interested in the firm. You probably won’t get the Managing Partner or GR to remember you, but the info you get out of it is extremely valuable. I think partially why I got an offer was that I drew upon what they talked about in the career talk, especially their work and why I was interested in pursuing a career in this line of work (private equity, regulatory etc). If you’re doing this already, you’re halfway there so don’t worry.

    3. Review, Review, Review
    Always review sections of your application that requires you to type it out. Always try to have a word document dedicated for this since you can check your grammar and spelling beforehand. My CC application was littered with grammar and spelling mistakes in my 1st cycle, so that’s probably the main reason why I got PFOed. If you want to, you can definitely have someone proof read for you, just in case you miss anything. This rule of thumb also goes to your cover letter. Read it out loud, or have someone read it for you. Always nice to get a 2nd opinion.

    4. Read the news
    This is often the most overlooked aspect of vac scheme applications, but this is how you truly build commercial awareness. If you’re finding it very difficult to understand some of the more technical terms, that’s fine. Here’s how you can dice it up into smaller, more consumable chunks. I found it way easier to understand market info than just reading through the whole thing without understanding what was going on half the time.

    First, I created a word doc just for commercial news. I then looked at the firm’s business and clients and go onto the news to see if any deals/ practices coincided with market developments. In my case, I chose to read up on private equity and IPOs in Japan. Whenever I came up with a term I didn’t know on the news, I highlighted it, and searched it up. I then had a section dedicated to explaining this term, like a glossary. My explanation for the term would be easy for me to understand, and slowly, I understood what was going on. It doesn’t even need to be a technical commercial term: it can be any term you don’t understand!

    This system really helped me expand my commercial awareness, at least in a sense why businesses were making those decisions. I credit this worksheet that I made to being able to successfully get through the interview process, since the partner and I got on a very nice chat about the Japanese market by the end of the interview.

    5. Don’t be arrogant - Reflect on yourself
    It’s always tempting to think that because I go to law school, and I got a 70 something in a module, or an A for that assignment, I must be the best. Well actually, no you’re not. I used to be that kind of guy, but the 1st cycle of my application process really humbled me and made me reflect on my weaknesses. It made me work harder and focus on myself, rather than comparing myself to others. Getting good grades only gets you so far. I know this guy from law school who is by far the most hard working person I’ve known, but he was super arrogant and aggressive to everyone. He loves talking about himself on the law group chat, and it was not a surprise when he complained that he didn’t get any offers for vac schemes. A hardworking and positive attitude is something firms want to see, and the application process goes beyond who gets better grades.

    If you don’t get any offers this cycle, that’s totally fine as well! A rejection is another opportunity to reflect and learn. You don’t always get it right at first, just like law firms don’t expect trainees to get it right at first too! 15 PFOs certainly was not fun, but here I am now! After reflecting on my mistakes and on things I didn’t do well, I certainly grew a lot as a law student and as a person. The lessons you learnt will be reflected in your next cycle, and you’ll definitely improve if you keep reflecting on yourself!

    Hope this helps! And like my contract law professor says all the time to us: Per Ardua Ad Astra!
    Thank you so much for this @Flanker01, this is so helpful and you will help so many with these tips, thank you again and good luck with your journey!
     
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    Hi guys, got a general question about answering the " why this firm answer"

    Is it helpful to talk about some of modules you have studied as law student, and link that to why you are interested in certain areas that a law firm specialices in. I do understand that there is a huge difference between studying law at uni and actually working in a legal field, but i think it could be used to show a gerneral understanding of a particular sector (to be backed up with evidence of further research).

    @Jessica Booker
    Hey @F AJMI, I think that it is something that many law students do so it is not frowned upon, however it is overly used, and I feel like it will not allow you to distinguish from other candidates. This is my personal opinion of course.

    I feel like it is fine to mention a subject you have studied, but I would not mention it as the only reason why you developed an interest into a specific practice area that the firm offers. I would stress how also other factors, such as a personal anecdote or an experience you had allowed you to see how useful that practice area can be in the future for many people/clients etc. This way, you will attract the attention of whoever is reading thousands of applications from law students who are probably mentioning that same module and you also have something to talk about during your interview if they were to ask you something around what you have said.

    For example, when I was applying to Gibson Dunn last year, I stressed the importance of the litigation department, which was what attracted me to the firm. Rather than linking this to an online course I had done around litigation and arbitration, which would have probably been easier to do for me, I linked it to an experience I had at an EU institution which exposed me to litigation procedures which I found fascinating at the time. This sparked the interest of graduate recruitment, which was very interested in hearing my experience. And it worked out perfectly for me!

    I hope my suggestions are helpful and good luck with the application cycle!
     
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    How recent should a 'recent situation where you faced a challenge or problem' be? I'm thinking of an example from 2019 - Is this too long ago to be recent?

    (@Jessica Booker @axelbeugre)
    I agree with @Jessica Booker here, finding something that is within the 12 months frame would probably be the best thing to do. I would say to keep the example you were thinking of discussing as it might be helpful during an interview or an AC. Good luck with the cycle!
     

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    I have some questions for anyone who has completed the DLA application. I'm a bit confused about their application process. Can you confirm if you need to attach a CV and a cover letter, and then answer three questions?

    Additionally, I'm wondering if the WGT is automatically included, and if there's no specific deadline for their application. If everyone is receiving VI/AC invites, is it too late for me to apply?
     

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    Hi @S87, what I would suggest is:
    • Talk about your experiences, your positions of responsibility and an achievement you are proud of in an exhaustive way and that showcase that you are an excellent candidate, not only academically, but also socially and professionally. Feel free to mention the skills you have gained from these experiences and how they would make you a successful lawyer.
    • Once you managed to do this, then I would link the skills you have gained that will make you a successful lawyer to the firm and how they will benefit you during the training contract at the firm. This can be done through looking at the firm's website and see what are the skills and values the firm appreciates. Additionally, I would also link my background and the skills developed to any opportunities which the firm offers. For instance, when I applied last year I talked about my international experiences and my languages ability and emphasised how those would allow me to excel on an international secondment offered by the firm during the training contract. I hope this example makes you see what kind of connection it will be useful for you to make between your experiences and what the firm as to offer, stressing how these will make you excel as a Clifford Chance lawyer.
    I hope I was useful in some way and good luck with the application process!
    Thank you so much @axelbeugre
     
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