TCLA Vacation Scheme Applications Discussion Thread 2021-22 (#1)

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OreoShake

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    Just some random thoughts. For argument evaluation section of Watson Glaser (WG) tests, are the answers to each argument always one Strong and one Weak argument? Or could the answers be two Strong arguments for the same argument.

    I thought it is always one strong and one weak. But now, after taking a WG test, I'm quite confused :(
     
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    Just some random thoughts. For argument evaluation section of Watson Glaser (WG) tests, are the answers to each argument always one Strong and one Weak argument? Or could the answers be two Strong arguments for the same argument.

    I thought it is always one strong and one weak. But now, after taking a WG test, I'm quite confused :(
    No there is no pattern like that, you must look at each argument as completely independent from any other factor rather than the question at hand.
     

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    Just some random thoughts. For argument evaluation section of Watson Glaser (WG) tests, are the answers to each argument always one Strong and one Weak argument? Or could the answers be two Strong arguments for the same argument.

    I thought it is always one strong and one weak. But now, after taking a WG test, I'm quite confused :(
    No, arguments could be all strong or all weak
     

    AvniD

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    Mayer brown testing invite today too woohoo 🎉
    Mayer Brown Job Simulation invite :)

    Made it to the Mayer Brown Job Simulation round! Can anyone give some insight to it.
    Congratulations on your test invite y'all! 🥳 🥳 🥳 Sounds like it's probably gonna be modelled on a situational judgment test (SJT). Including some links below to helpful posts on the forum for tips to practice! My best tip- always try to put yourself in a trainee's shoes and think of the most appropriate reaction to a given situation (trust me, you've been in versions of these situations at some point in your life- you just have to reflect deeply) and go with whatever feels most right- trust your gut instinct!
    1. Preparing for SJTs by Alice- https://www.thecorporatelawacademy.com/forum/threads/scenario-based-assessment.2367/#post-30260
    2. Ways to approach SJTs by Jessica- https://www.thecorporatelawacademy.com/forum/threads/situational-judgement-tests.1729/#post-14156
    3. SJT practice material by Dheepa- https://www.thecorporatelawacademy....ssion-thread-2020-21.2170/page-343#post-49068
    Made it to interview with NRF for Spring VS! Any tips?
    Congratulations!! Very very well done!! 👏👏👏 Is this a VI?
    Just some random thoughts. For argument evaluation section of Watson Glaser (WG) tests, are the answers to each argument always one Strong and one Weak argument? Or could the answers be two Strong arguments for the same argument.

    I thought it is always one strong and one weak. But now, after taking a WG test, I'm quite confused :(
    @OreoShake they can be either or both! Look out for logical fallacies, correlations being confused with causation and red herrings as these may weaken an argument- it takes time to develop an instinct for this but it will come eventually as you practice. You've got this! 💪
     

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    Hi there,

    White & Case ask applicants to list there average grade for each year at university, as well as there overall grade as a percentage. My university only counted second and third year grades when calculating our overall grade, with the third year getting more weighting. Should I give this figure or an average of all of my first, second and third year grades?

    For reference my grades were much better in my third year, so would ideally use this metric.

    @AvniD @Jessica Booker @George Maxwell
     
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    Hi there,

    White & Case ask applicants to list there average grade for each year at university, as well as there overall grade as a percentage. My university only counted second and third year grades when calculating our overall grade, with the third year getting more weighting. Should I give this figure or an average of all of my first, second and third year grades?

    For reference my grades were much better in my third year, so would ideally use this metric.

    @AvniD @Jessica Booker @George Maxwell
    You’ll still need to provide an average for your first and second years despite the weighting. Weighting in favour of later years is common in universities. Firms still want to see what your average was in your first year and then again in your second year though, even if they don’t count towards your final grade.
     
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    OreoShake

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    No there is no pattern like that, you must look at each argument as completely independent from any other factor rather than the question at hand.
    No, arguments could be all strong or all weak
    Congratulations on your test invite y'all! 🥳 🥳 🥳 Sounds like it's probably gonna be modelled on a situational judgment test (SJT). Including some links below to helpful posts on the forum for tips to practice! My best tip- always try to put yourself in a trainee's shoes and think of the most appropriate reaction to a given situation (trust me, you've been in versions of these situations at some point in your life- you just have to reflect deeply) and go with whatever feels most right- trust your gut instinct!
    1. Preparing for SJTs by Alice- https://www.thecorporatelawacademy.com/forum/threads/scenario-based-assessment.2367/#post-30260
    2. Ways to approach SJTs by Jessica- https://www.thecorporatelawacademy.com/forum/threads/situational-judgement-tests.1729/#post-14156
    3. SJT practice material by Dheepa- https://www.thecorporatelawacademy....ssion-thread-2020-21.2170/page-343#post-49068

    Congratulations!! Very very well done!! 👏👏👏 Is this a VI?

    @OreoShake they can be either or both! Look out for logical fallacies, correlations being confused with causation and red herrings as these may weaken an argument- it takes time to develop an instinct for this but it will come eventually as you practice. You've got this! 💪

    Thanks everyone for the reply. Reassures me for sure!
    Maybe the practice tests I was taking were just structured that way to have 1 strong and 1 weak.
     
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    has anyone got any advice on how to stay motivated through this application season!! Finding my motivation slowly fading now 😭
    Hi @GS0W! I'm sorry to hear you've been struggling with motivation. That was one of my biggest challenges during the application season and I found that three things helped me a lot in eventually overcoming it-
    • Being kind to myself- I learnt to not judge myself harshly if I missed a deadline, skipped a webinar or received a rejection. This process is so complex and needs you to put in your best effort at every stage, and being unkind towards yourself for human errors and mistakes in judgement is really unnecessary. Take things at your own pace and trust that you know what you're doing, even you falter here and there.

    • Making time for things outside the application process- I found that I was slowly losing my sense of identity by obsessing over applications day in and day out and realised how essential it was to take time away from being an 'aspiring solicitor' to ground myself. However cheesy this may sound, I started to make time every day for my hobbies and interests to remind myself of things I loved doing that weren't in any way related to law- whether it was running, or painting or blogging, or whatever it may be for you.

    • Clueing in family and friends- I began to honestly share if I was feeling excited or nervous or disappointed or burnt out with my inner circle and their unwavering support and insightful advice really helped me get through periods of low motivation. Everybody goes through challenges in their motivation at some point in time and having someone empathise with you or share their experience can be really uplifting.
    I have to say that the way you've bravely shared how you're feeling on the forum is really admirable and that I think you're doing great 👏👏👏 I really hope my experience resonates with you and helps you through this period. Needless to say, please feel free to tag me in your posts if you ever need help with your applications 😇
     

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    Thanks everyone for the reply. Reassures me for sure!
    Maybe the practice tests I was taking were just structured that way to have 1 strong and 1 weak.
    Not a problem! Definitely try practising from a wide range of resources so you can get a feel for how the test may present itself in different ways.
     
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