Hey Guest, do you have a question for graduate recruitment? Gemma Baker from Willkie is live to answer your questions!
No problem!!!Thanks so much for the detailed response, really does give me inspiration to keep going. I have started Harvard's Computer Science for Lawyers course as well, how much time did you spend on it? All the best with your VS and upcoming AC/other responses, I'm sure you'll smash them and land a TC. Definitely deserve it after all that hard work!
I know you didn't ask me personally but trance is my go-to music when I need a pick me up. I guess most of you won't be too familiar with it, since it peaked in popularity when you would have been very young. But if anybody is interested, Armin Van Buuren's radio show celebrated 1000 episodes this week - the 1000th episode is a five hour mix compromised of the top 50 trance mixes of all time. Would definitely recommend!
Completely agree @Jaysen! Pretty scary but also pretty amazing as to how much we can help ourselves simply by getting 7/8 hours of sleep a nightThat Matthew Walker podcast was so eye opening to me!
Just a heads up - if they sent the email for the VRT test from a cvMail address (which they often do), they may not be able to access it until cvMail is running again.I just replied to the email they sent with the test invite. Hopefully CVMail will be up again soon!
I would say that these are subtly, but quite importantly, different. Exceeding expectations is when you perform better than expected in a given circumstance. For example, my tattoo artist almost always exceeds my expectations when he tattoos me, but he doesn't necessarily go above and beyond in any way to do so.What is a firm looking for when they ask "Tell us about a time you have exceeded expectations in your work and/or study", is it similar to when have you gone above and beyond in your work and study?
Thanks so much, I will absolutely do this!Just a heads up - if they sent the email for the VRT test from a cvMail address (which they often do), they may not be able to access it until cvMail is running again.
I would strongly advise you to send an email to the actual grad recruitment email. It can usually be found (along with a phone number) on lawcareers.net or by searching "[X firm] graduate recruitment email" on google. In the event it is still down come Monday and you have no reply from anyone, I would call first thing on Monday.
This is my plan of action anyway!
ASOT 1000 in Utretch, Sept 3/4 😉 Pre-sale tickets 27th JanI know you didn't ask me personally but trance is my go-to music when I need a pick me up. I guess most of you won't be too familiar with it, since it peaked in popularity when you would have been very young. But if anybody is interested, Armin Van Buuren's radio show celebrated 1000 episodes this week - the 1000th episode is a five hour mix compromised of the top 50 trance mixes of all time. Would definitely recommend!
A lot of people are working non standard hours at the moment while they balance childcare.A&O staff must be overwhelmed...Rejected on a saturday for direct tc!
HiyaFor a question for a VI (where you have 2 mins to talk) that is: what characteristics make a good commercial lawyer? Would you go into detail about examples of where you demonstrated that characteristic?
HiyaI'm thinking ahead a bit here as I'm still waiting to hear from a few firms. But...I'm not optimistic and my applications haven't progressed beyond a VI (for one firm) this year. What should my next move be? I'm thinking I should first try to review what's gone wrong and then (maybe) apply for some direct TCs. What have others done who have been unsuccessful in their first cycle but subsequently successful? Do people tend to apply for the same firms in subsequent rounds or change it up?
Any advice gratefully received I'm feeling a little deflated but overall still positive.
Thank you so much! Yes that does make sense and definitely why I asked as I wasn't sure how to differentiate the two Will have to think a bit harder about my example haha!!I would say that these are subtly, but quite importantly, different. Exceeding expectations is when you perform better than expected in a given circumstance. For example, my tattoo artist almost always exceeds my expectations when he tattoos me, but he doesn't necessarily go above and beyond in any way to do so.
Going above and beyond, however, is when you put in more time/ effort etc than could possibly be asked for to ensure a satisfactory outcome in a given set of circumstances. For example, I've personally been in situations where I've had to work huge extra hours etc, far above and beyond what could have reasonably been expected, but the final outcome hasn't necessarily exceeded anyone's expectations, only satisfied them.
The best way I can express it is as logical reasoning:
- Sometimes, exceeding expectations will involve going above and beyond
- Similarly, sometimes, going above and beyond will exceed expectations
- However, one can go above and beyond without exceeding expectations, and, similarly, one can exceed expectations without going above and beyond.
In sum, the two often overlap in practical situations but can also be independent of one another
Hope this makes some amount of sense!
If you look on the portal, you were probably rejected maybe 5 days ago but the emails from A&O are delayedA&O staff must be overwhelmed...Rejected on a saturday for direct tc!
Totally unrelated to your comment but I just wanted to say that I asked you a few weeks ago about a tricky cover letter-style application question and your advice got me through to my first vac scheme interview of the cycle, which I had yesterday! Thank you so much for all of your insight! It is very helpful stuff.A lot of people are working non standard hours at the moment while they balance childcare.
It will very by firm. Most don’t do it until you have been offered the job, but some firms do it when they know you are being invited through to interview. If there is something like extenuating circumstances that have impacted your academics, then it is not unknown for a firm to contact your academic referee before making a decision on your application.@Jessica Booker I was just curious, at which stage of the application process does a firm contact your referees? I was thinking of emailing my referees as a 'heads up' beforehand so I'd like your insight on this. Thank you! 😊
Unfortunately I'm really wary of committing to anything this year! Now just because of Covid but because i have no idea what I'll be doing in September - if I can't secure a TC this summer then I'll have to decide either to go and do the LPC, or find something else. =/ Otherwise I would love to go! I haven't been to a live trance gig in a few years now. All my old raver friends kind of grew out of it. 😥ASOT 1000 in Utretch, Sept 3/4 😉 Pre-sale tickets 27th Jan
If this is for Latham I think it’s actually midnight tonight (look at the first email)Hi guys my VI is on launchpad and the deadline is 25th Jan 00:00 GMT. Stupid Q but that’s midnight tomorrow right?