Any information on the Debevoise & Plimpton recruitment process specifically about the open day would be greatly appreciated!!
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I'm really sorry guys. Linklaters has honestly taken forever to hand out decisions. Could I ask if these were summer/spring vs apps + whether you guys were 66%/77%?
This is like watching a slow-mo of a punch. I'd rather them just hit me quickly, than wait forever for the inevitable.
Now you know how I feel
Honestly speaking facts!
These are such critical aspects which I don’t think enough firms or grad rec teams appreciate when assessing candidates. Working part time does limit how much we can take on.
At HSF, grad rec said that if they have two similar candidates they use work experience as a distinguishing factor. I really don’t think that’s fair at all… although I love the firm!
There’s also other aspects of social mobility like being from a lower socio economic background and living in a council flat and having to share a room with your sibilings or extended family members and trying to work and live in overcrowded spaces, I have friends who do not even have a desk in their room to work on.
I don’t think people realise how much material deprivation can affect educational achievement and how this feeds into the training contract process.
I think a lot of firms would benefit from having trainees who have lived experiences of social mobility to advocate for some reform in their recruitment processes than just the standard checklist. Firms have “DEI” experts but I really don’t know how much impact this has.
And to reiterate your point: opportunity is absolutely everything when it comes to this process, how are we meant to build our candidacy if we don’t have any opportunities in place or can take on.
Similarly those who are privately educated are on a higher footing to us from lower socio economic backgrounds because of the opportunities and advantages they had growing up. When I started uni I had nothing to my name compared to my privately educated peers.
+ you were in the 97th perecentile for the WG. Honestly it beats me.
You're clearly a fantastic candidate. It's absolutely their loss. The right firm will snap you up with no hesitation - just a matter of time.
All the best 🫶
Anyone else hear back from Greenberg?
I also was wondering this but from what I've read on here I think it's 60 seconds to record and 15 or 30 seconds to prep
Do law firms use a candidate's preferred name? I haven't received any communication using my preferred name so far...
Instead of my first name, one firm referred to me by surname, which was also spelled wrong 🤣
Hi @Jessica Booker @Ram Sabaratnam @Andrei Radu
I have a slight issue. I just got a call for the vac scheme offer for a spring scheme. when i was applying the firm had dates 1-11 april on their website, they still do. but on the call, i was told it will be from 25th march to 11th april. i am an international student and my term at uni ends on the 28th of march. when i applied, i attached all visa documents keeping in mind that i can work legally more than 20 hours during the 1-11 april period. however i cant work from 25th march to 28th since that will be more than 20 hours and will fall in the term time. how do you suggest i proceed? it is my first vac scheme offer so im a bit sceptical if they will rescind it on this basis.
I have a slight issue. I just got a call for the vac scheme offer for a spring scheme. when i was applying the firm had dates 1-11 april on their website, they still do. but on the call, i was told it will be from 25th march to 11th april. i am an international student and my term at uni ends on the 28th of march. when i applied, i attached all visa documents keeping in mind that i can work legally more than 20 hours during the 1-11 april period. however i cant work from 25th march to 28th since that will be more than 20 hours and will fall in the term time. how do you suggest i proceed? it is my first vac scheme offer so im a bit sceptical if they will rescind it on this basis.
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so most people who have been rejected by LL were at 66% and for Spring?
Any thoughts on acceptable practices for online tests, from the point of view of academic honesty?
I did a 'virtual' AC, which I felt was slightly poorly managed. There were two prior rounds: the form, then a proof-reading task using skillsarena, which had video proctoring activated.
The AC consisted of a group exercise, which makes sense, followed by what turned out to be another written task via skillsarena with video proctoring. It wasn't really clear why this second task was considered part of the AC, because the schedule read:
1. 11:10-11:40 - written exercise; zoom link provided
2. 11:40-12:00 - written exercise; zoom link provided
whereas in fact what happened was they sent out the skillsarena link at 11:02am, and then between about 11:10 and 11:15 were explaining that we'd need to log off zoom (because the skillsarena task is video-proctored), do the task, then rejoin afterwards. Since the allocated time within skillsarena was 30 minutes, it was quite disconcerting as the schedule implied that you were expected to rejoin at 11:40, whereas you probably wouldn't even have started your task until about 11:18, and only at that point would have learned that you had been allocated 30 minutes to complete the task. (As it turned out, when I joined the 11:40-12:00 session, it was just a "thanks for coming", and the entire second hour of the AC could just have been done offline.)
The fact that video proctoring is activated by skillsarena suggests that they are trying to stop cheating, but they don't define what cheating is.
One candidate asked "can we use Microsoft Word?" (it was a drafting exercise, and a formatted box was provided to reply within skillsarena)
In my opinion the answer to this should be "no", unless you've got a dispensation or something, because Word will identify grammar and spelling errors, and now has AI features as well that could generate the entire email.
However, the answer was given "yes".
I did not use Microsoft Word, out of an abundance of caution, and also did not use the full 30 minutes because I was concerned about being late back, even though this turned out not to be an issue. I did however ctrl+c my answer and checked it in Word AFTER submission, where it spotted a typo, and suggested a couple of missing commas.
It turned out that although you could copy out, Skillsarena disabled paste into the box, and two or three candidates were unable to submit because they had done their answers in Word and then copy + pasted them at 29:30, and then found out that it didn't work. So they had to email them manually, lol.
I've noticed in other online tests that they say they have "behind the scenes metrics". It's not clear what this means, but technologically apps can detect when you switch to other windows, and can also detect copy pasting (although often this is disabled), track response times. In SJTs where they have numerical questions I would tend to use Excel unless it's trivially simple to do by mental arithmetic, because that just seems like the only sensible way to do things, but it's not really clear whether Excel use is somehow frowned upon.
In addition, AI can accurately answer many types of question, and while this is presumably deemed cheating, it's not necessarily spelled out, nor do they typically make even minimal efforts to stop this (e.g., by using a locked-down exambrowser-type tool). (Although I suppose such efforts might be deemed OTT in that these are not exams but merely one of several stages in a recruitment process).
I did a 'virtual' AC, which I felt was slightly poorly managed. There were two prior rounds: the form, then a proof-reading task using skillsarena, which had video proctoring activated.
The AC consisted of a group exercise, which makes sense, followed by what turned out to be another written task via skillsarena with video proctoring. It wasn't really clear why this second task was considered part of the AC, because the schedule read:
1. 11:10-11:40 - written exercise; zoom link provided
2. 11:40-12:00 - written exercise; zoom link provided
whereas in fact what happened was they sent out the skillsarena link at 11:02am, and then between about 11:10 and 11:15 were explaining that we'd need to log off zoom (because the skillsarena task is video-proctored), do the task, then rejoin afterwards. Since the allocated time within skillsarena was 30 minutes, it was quite disconcerting as the schedule implied that you were expected to rejoin at 11:40, whereas you probably wouldn't even have started your task until about 11:18, and only at that point would have learned that you had been allocated 30 minutes to complete the task. (As it turned out, when I joined the 11:40-12:00 session, it was just a "thanks for coming", and the entire second hour of the AC could just have been done offline.)
The fact that video proctoring is activated by skillsarena suggests that they are trying to stop cheating, but they don't define what cheating is.
One candidate asked "can we use Microsoft Word?" (it was a drafting exercise, and a formatted box was provided to reply within skillsarena)
In my opinion the answer to this should be "no", unless you've got a dispensation or something, because Word will identify grammar and spelling errors, and now has AI features as well that could generate the entire email.
However, the answer was given "yes".
I did not use Microsoft Word, out of an abundance of caution, and also did not use the full 30 minutes because I was concerned about being late back, even though this turned out not to be an issue. I did however ctrl+c my answer and checked it in Word AFTER submission, where it spotted a typo, and suggested a couple of missing commas.
It turned out that although you could copy out, Skillsarena disabled paste into the box, and two or three candidates were unable to submit because they had done their answers in Word and then copy + pasted them at 29:30, and then found out that it didn't work. So they had to email them manually, lol.
I've noticed in other online tests that they say they have "behind the scenes metrics". It's not clear what this means, but technologically apps can detect when you switch to other windows, and can also detect copy pasting (although often this is disabled), track response times. In SJTs where they have numerical questions I would tend to use Excel unless it's trivially simple to do by mental arithmetic, because that just seems like the only sensible way to do things, but it's not really clear whether Excel use is somehow frowned upon.
In addition, AI can accurately answer many types of question, and while this is presumably deemed cheating, it's not necessarily spelled out, nor do they typically make even minimal efforts to stop this (e.g., by using a locked-down exambrowser-type tool). (Although I suppose such efforts might be deemed OTT in that these are not exams but merely one of several stages in a recruitment process).
Has anyone heard from Sidley post-AC for summer? Do they call for both offer and PFO?
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I would speak to the firm to see if it possible to get the first week contracted at 20 hours and only attend 20 hours (just under 3 days) on that first week (eg miss the Friday and leave slightly early one other day that week).
The firm doesn’t need to rescind the offer though - if it is the case the can’t accommodate 20 hours in the first week, then you cannot meet the terms of the offer, so they don’t have to rescind because the you cant meet the employment contract’s terms.
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