TCLA Vacation Scheme Applications Discussion Thread 2023-24

[Legalstalker]

I really don’t want to diminish anyone else’s achievements as know how hard people work, but what I find really difficult on here is when people post that they’re trying to decide between two VS offers or even being in the position to turn down one because of a clash with another.

I would kill for one VS. It’s my third cycle and I haven’t got one, yet I’ve seen people on here have multiple, then get an AC invite. I’ve seen someone on here with about 8 ACs this cycle alone.

I really don’t want to sound bitter or jealous but knowing people can seem to get a VS easily and are in the position to choose between offers while I can’t even get one after years just sucks.

I get your point! But I didn’t get my VS scheme easily.
I’ve had multiple rejections this cycle 47 to be exact. I gave up in December after a PFO post TI From Fieldfisher as I fumbled it soo hard. I stopped applying and didn’t come on the forum for weeks as it knocked me down a few pegs. I saw loads of people getting VI’s and AC’s I thought I rather be happy for others than feel sad over this rejection. I try to like everyone’s post that succeeds in their application as it’s such an achievement to get a test invite or a VI. I then got several AC invites at the end of Jan for applications I made prior to my TI rejection in December. I also used my failed interview as an advantage to succeed in my other interview.

I really do believe in uplifting and helping others! Those on the forum who have messaged to see how my applications are over the past few months are the ones who have recently just got AC’s and VS. Their positive energy is the reason they got their offers and that’s what the firms saw too. They didn’t get it handed to them. (I know you didn’t mean your comment it in a malicious way)

Also Ive seen ppl only apply to MC and US firms…. you need to have variety you can always move laterally. Aim high but be realistic, all my top firms I wanted in the beginning paid under £100k funnily enough.

 

[neonorange]

I can assure you, people are not getting VS's easily. Behind every 2 VS offers are an inbox full of PFOs from other firms. It's partly a numbers game at the end of the day. However, it is also about putting in the work. You need to be using career advisors to review your cover letters and putting in the time and effort to research each firm for their unique selling points - at a bare minimum.

You also need to ask yourself if you have enough experience to draw on to be competitive. Law attracts ambitious people, and said people are more likely to have taken the initiative to bolster their CVs with good grades, a good university, leadership positions on relevant commercial-focused societies and involvement in other extra-curriculars (Ie. sport). If you haven't taken the initiative to do this, you have put yourself at a disadvantage, but there are many ways to fix this, for example, paralegalling (sic) for a year

I was so tempted for a second to write a full essay about why the careers advisor bit of this is nonsense but I foresee it devolving into W&C 2.0 drama.

 

[bangarangbass39]

I don’t know too much either, but from the email it sounds like it’s a situational judgment test with some math elements.

I assume this test is automatic right?

ITS AMBERJACK. FFS. Tbf i've not had a terrible outing with AJ, but I can't tell if I have been good with them or not. The results alone don't tell you if you're successful or not. I am still waiting for 2 responses from firms I took the Amberjack for, to hear if I'm successful or not

 

[F12M34L]

ITS AMBERJACK. FFS. Tbf i've not had a terrible outing with AJ, but I can't tell if I have been good with them or not. The results alone don't tell you if you're successful or not. I am still waiting for 2 responses from firms I took the Amberjack for, to hear if I'm successful or not

Amberjack is shit.

 

[Deleted member 27336]

If we haven’t heard anything re Hogan Lovells summer VS shall we assume PFO?

idk, i thought this, then got an AC today so maybe they're still reviewing apps?

 

[DieHard]

I was so tempted for a second to write a full essay about why the careers advisor bit of this is nonsense but I foresee it devolving into W&C 2.0 drama.

You don't need to write an essay to state a point. Perhaps you've had a bad experience with using them, but on the whole having someone review your cover letter, particularly an advisor who is likely read 100s/1000s of cover letters, is a net positive. If you have a connection in the legal field willing to review your cover letter, fine, but most people don't have that option, and even if you do, how many cover letters do you expect them to read?

 

[lawtab]

I really don’t want to diminish anyone else’s achievements as know how hard people work, but what I find really difficult on here is when people post that they’re trying to decide between two VS offers or even being in the position to turn down one because of a clash with another.

I would kill for one VS. It’s my third cycle and I haven’t got one, yet I’ve seen people on here have multiple, then get an AC invite. I’ve seen someone on here with about 8 ACs this cycle alone.

I really don’t want to sound bitter or jealous but knowing people can seem to get a VS easily and are in the position to choose between offers while I can’t even get one after years just sucks.

I feel you. Last night I was doom scrolling on LinkedIn and saw someone post they got 5 VS offers (2 MC and 3 US) and a TC offer… like MAJOR respect for them but damn leave some opportunities for the rest of us😭😭

 

[bangarangbass39]

I get your point! But I didn’t get my VS scheme easily.
I’ve had multiple rejections this cycle 47 to be exact. I gave up in December after a PFO post TI From Fieldfisher as I fumbled it soo hard. I stopped applying and didn’t come on the forum for weeks as it knocked me down a few pegs. I saw loads of people getting VI’s and AC’s I thought I rather be happy for others than feel sad over this rejection. I try to like everyone’s post that succeeds in their application as it’s such an achievement to get a test invite or a VI. I then got several AC invites at the end of Jan for applications I made prior to my TI rejection in December. I also used my failed interview as an advantage to succeed in my other interview.

I really do believe in uplifting and helping others! Those on the forum who have messaged to see how my applications are over the past few months are the ones who have recently just got AC’s and VS. Their positive energy is the reason they got their offers and that’s what the firms saw too. They didn’t get it handed to them. (I know you didn’t mean your comment it in a malicious way)

Also Ive seen ppl only apply to MC and US firms…. you need to have variety you can always move laterally. Aim high but be realistic, all my top firms I wanted in the beginning paid under £100k funnily enough.

shhhhhh let them apply for the MCs and Big Law only! leave the rest for us i'm all for the advice but dang, if people wanna aim for a moon landing I ain't stopping them!

I agree tho, I realised that If you want to go into Law it's not about forcing yourself into a space where the competition is indescribable. That's a tip a partner from Fieldfisher gave me at the end of the interview. We studied at the same degree at the same uni as well which made it even more funny. He said he realised early on that he was wasting time on these big firms (MC) because spotting him was gonna be like finding a needle in a haystack. It's not impossible, but to only focus on these top firms is bamboozling. Also so many people don't even last after qualifying loool. Honestly, the hunt for MC/US big law is reminding me of the pursuit for Oxbridge at A levels. It makes so much sense as to why people want it but there are so many different opportunities/routes to "success" outside of the "best".

I really like this article from the BBC which I think is great metaphor for why people do this - I just realised there's also a TV show

Are you an ‘insecure overachiever’?

Decades of research into elite firms identified a particular type of worker: exceptionally capable and fiercely ambitious, but driven by a profound belief in their own inadequacy.

www.bbc.com

 

[WhaTdocument]

ITS AMBERJACK. FFS. Tbf i've not had a terrible outing with AJ, but I can't tell if I have been good with them or not. The results alone don't tell you if you're successful or not. I am still waiting for 2 responses from firms I took the Amberjack for, to hear if I'm successful or not

can i ask what is AMBERJACK? ......

 

[tcplease2345]

LinkedIn is depressing.

 

[s2203]

Congratulations to everyone who has secured a VS this cycle! It’s honestly such an achievement and after a soul-crushing process.

To those who haven’t, a PFO is not a reflection of your ability and there’s always goodness in every delay! Definitely spend this time wisely to focus on improving yourself for the next cycle and maybe explore other options, such as direct TCs.

This cycle hasn’t been amazing for me. It’s my second one, and I applied to 10 firms and got PFOs for most of them either post app or post VI. In comparison to last year, I applied to 4 firms, got to the interview stage for 2 and ended up securing a VS offer. Unfortunately I was unable to convert it into a TC. I guess every opportunity is a learning process and I am hoping there are other opportunities which are better suited for me!

If anyone would like any insight to the Travers interview and/or assessed tasks on the VS please PM me, I’d love to help out

 

[lawtab]

LinkedIn is depressing.

I’m delighted to announce I will be deleting LinkedIn off my phone!! A special thanks to the LinkedIn community for destroying my mental health. I look forward to not ever using it again in the near future!

 

[Hopefultrainee22]

What's the best approach to the question "if you could introduce a new law, what would it be"?

Would it be best to focus on the firm's practice areas or anything of interest? Any thoughts @Jessica Booker @axelbeugre?

 

[TC seeker]

shhhhhh let them apply for the MCs and Big Law only! leave the rest for us i'm all for the advice but dang, if people wanna aim for a moon landing I ain't stopping them!

I agree tho, I realised that If you want to go into Law it's not about forcing yourself into a space where the competition is indescribable. That's a tip a partner from Fieldfisher gave me at the end of the interview. We studied at the same degree at the same uni as well which made it even more funny. He said he realised early on that he was wasting time on these big firms (MC) because spotting him was gonna be like finding a needle in a haystack. It's not impossible, but to only focus on these top firms is bamboozling. Also so many people don't even last after qualifying loool. Honestly, the hunt for MC/US big law is reminding me of the pursuit for Oxbridge at A levels. It makes so much sense as to why people want it but there are so many different opportunities/routes to "success" outside of the "best".

I really like this article from the BBC which I think is great metaphor for why people do this - I just realised there's also a TV show

Are you an ‘insecure overachiever’?

Decades of research into elite firms identified a particular type of worker: exceptionally capable and fiercely ambitious, but driven by a profound belief in their own inadequacy.

www.bbc.com

But it seems like MC can provide more TC each year，I feel like it means more chance.

 

[ChloeC]

NRF PFO

 

[wc]

Hey guys, do you think doing a virtual AC is disadvantageous to an in person one?

 

[bangarangbass39]

But it seems like MC can provide more TC each year，I feel like it means more chance.

They do but the applications for it are well over 2,000. Its worth applying, but to only focus on these firms is silly in my opinion. Even if you have the IQ of tesla, or 28 A levels.

 

[sxw517]

Is anyone in the same boat as me and still not done the Bakers VI, the amount of posts I have seen on here about it being a weird VI hasn't helped motivate me to start it lol

 

[TC seeker]

They do but the applications for it are well over 2,000. Its worth applying, but to only focus on these firms is silly in my opinion. Even if you have the IQ of tesla, or 28 A levels.

But small firms also received wide range of applications，I don‘t think silver circle has
a lower standard.

 

[Hopefultrainee22]

What do people think the main benefits are of a sector focused firm?