TCLA Vacation Scheme Applications Discussion Thread 2021-22 (#1)

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AvniD

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Ashurst AC invite! Didn't even consider it after the revelian games lol. Does anyone have any tips/advice for this? I’ve found written exercises difficult in the past so would be really grateful for any guidance! ☺️
Congratulations! 🥳

You get a limited amount of time (usually 30 minutes) to prepare for the case study, so it's really important to use a logical structure to present your thoughts. You can use whichever structure you like but generally try to get at least the following covered-
  • Summarise the case study- what is it talking about?
  • Go through the concerns you've identified
  • Provide possible solutions to address your concerns (do this point-by-point if you like)
You may get things wrong, which is alright because you're not supposed to know everything a practising solicitor does. The point is to acknowledge what you don't know, recover quickly and calmly, and work with the people interviewing you to resolve the issues raised in your discussion of the case study.

For the interview, ensure that you practice motivation and competency questions really well (you can find a lot of these here from the 2019 application cycle- https://www.thecorporatelawacademy.com/175-training-contract-interview-questions-2/), and go over a few commercial topics that you have followed closely over the past few months so that you can talk about them if the need arises.

Lastly, try to enjoy the process! I know that an AC can be really high-pressure, but you have worked hard and deserve the opportunity to appreciate your efforts and perseverance ☺️

Wishing you the best!

Avni
 

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Is anyone still waiting to hear from W&C after VI? I did mine on the 18th but still haven't heard anything, and have seen a few people on this forum say they have gotten interviews. Do I interpret this as a rejection?
 

IzzyAn_na

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Just got an invite to HSF Winter AC! However, the only available date is in 3 days from now - is that normal?
I had the offer on Thursday and Monday was my only free slot as well but I managed to grab a slot for the 9th when someone dropped out- otherwise it was such a quick turnaround to get a train and accommodation! (As well as preparing for the interview itself!)
 

Kareena

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does signing up for virtual events held by the firm (that is open to everyone) and not attending put you on their black list?

I don't know if grad rec makes a note of people who join or don't?
 

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does signing up for virtual events held by the firm (that is open to everyone) and not attending put you on their black list?

I don't know if grad rec makes a note of people who join or don't?
No. They may make a note of it but they haven't really got the time to cross-reference this data when reviewing applications and even if they did, there is a risk of inaccuracy.
 
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    Hi there. I'm always a bit stumped by the question of 'tell us about an achievement of importance to you' - I never quite know what they are looking for. Is it the impressiveness of the accolade or what you value as an achievement?? A mixture? Something else?

    Does anyone have any examples they wouldn't mind sharing so I can get more of an idea, please?
     

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    Hi there. I'm always a bit stumped by the question of 'tell us about an achievement of importance to you' - I never quite know what they are looking for. Is it the impressiveness of the accolade or what you value as an achievement?? A mixture? Something else?

    Does anyone have any examples they wouldn't mind sharing so I can get more of an idea, please?
    It’s more of the latter than the former. One person’s accolade could be the next person’s walk in the park.

    I always use this real life example to explain what recruiters are looking for. It was asked at interview stage rather than on an application, but the logic still applies:

    I interviewed one candidate in the morning who I asked the question of what their greatest achievement was. They talked about running the London Marathon, which to someone like me was a massive achievement because I can’t even run for the bus. When I asked them to explain why it was the greatest achievement they spoke about how they had been a long distance runner for sometime and when probed further they actually made it sound quite easy. They hadn’t actually changed a lot of the things that in their life to achieve the goal – they loved running, they trained a lot anyway, they ate healthily, and running was just part of the every day life.

    I interviewed another candidate that same afternoon and asked them the same question. They seemed slightly reluctant to tell me the answer because they didn’t think it was that good but I asked them to give the example anyway and said that if I didn’t think it was suitable I would ask them the question again. They spoke about running a 5K run. Now on the face of it I would say this is nothing compared to 26.2 miles. However they hated running, they never went to the gym, they were fairly unhealthy and their lifestyle meant that they weren’t physically fit . So they had to change everything in their day-to-day life just to accomplish the run. Their achievement was actually really raising money for charity – the reason they chose the 5K run was that they knew that everyone thought it was quite funny that they of all people would do a charity run and so they actually raised a lot of sponsorship from it because it was something so outside of their comfort zone, and people knew that so they sponsored them.

    Ultimately the person in the afternoon had the better of the two answers. I don’t doubt that running a marathon is hard work but the individual didn’t really sell the accomplishment behind it. It was almost like the title of the achievement was enough to them, but they literally made it sound pretty easy/straight forward.

    So what recruiters are looking for are not really the accomplishment but the effort behind it. This could be anything from determination or drive to achieve something which for you is out of the ordinary.

    Alternatively it could just be doing something to an excellent standard. So for instance if the marathon runner had told me that they had reduced their running time down by a certain amount for the marathon or accomplished at a certain time that was impressive, that might have heightened the answer.

    So think about combining any of the following factors that sit behind the achievement rather than the achievement itself:

    - dedication (time/effort/energy)
    - determination
    - setting high standards/achieving excellence
    - going outside of your comfort zone
    - achieving something that benefits others and not just yourself (eg the 5k runner was raising money for charity - something the London Marathon runner never even mentioned)
     

    N.9

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    It’s more of the latter than the former. One person’s accolade could be the next person’s walk in the park.

    I always use this real life example to explain what recruiters are looking for. It was asked at interview stage rather than on an application, but the logic still applies:

    I interviewed one candidate in the morning who I asked the question of what their greatest achievement was. They talked about running the London Marathon, which to someone like me was a massive achievement because I can’t even run for the bus. When I asked them to explain why it was the greatest achievement they spoke about how they had been a long distance runner for sometime and when probed further they actually made it sound quite easy. They hadn’t actually changed a lot of the things that in their life to achieve the goal – they loved running, they trained a lot anyway, they ate healthily, and running was just part of the every day life.

    I interviewed another candidate that same afternoon and asked them the same question. They seemed slightly reluctant to tell me the answer because they didn’t think it was that good but I asked them to give the example anyway and said that if I didn’t think it was suitable I would ask them the question again. They spoke about running a 5K run. Now on the face of it I would say this is nothing compared to 26.2 miles. However they hated running, they never went to the gym, they were fairly unhealthy and their lifestyle meant that they weren’t physically fit . So they had to change everything in their day-to-day life just to accomplish the run. Their achievement was actually really raising money for charity – the reason they chose the 5K run was that they knew that everyone thought it was quite funny that they of all people would do a charity run and so they actually raised a lot of sponsorship from it because it was something so outside of their comfort zone, and people knew that so they sponsored them.

    Ultimately the person in the afternoon had the better of the two answers. I don’t doubt that running a marathon is hard work but the individual didn’t really sell the accomplishment behind it. It was almost like the title of the achievement was enough to them, but they literally made it sound pretty easy/straight forward.

    So what recruiters are looking for are not really the accomplishment but the effort behind it. This could be anything from determination or drive to achieve something which for you is out of the ordinary.

    Alternatively it could just be doing something to an excellent standard. So for instance if the marathon runner had told me that they had reduced their running time down by a certain amount for the marathon or accomplished at a certain time that was impressive, that might have heightened the answer.

    So think about combining any of the following factors that sit behind the achievement rather than the achievement itself:

    - dedication (time/effort/energy)
    - determination
    - setting high standards/achieving excellence
    - going outside of your comfort zone
    - achieving something that benefits others and not just yourself (eg the 5k runner was raising money for charity - something the London Marathon runner never even mentioned)
    Hi Jessica, thank you so much for explaining that so well. I think I have a much clearer understanding of what firms are looking for now and the reasons why. Thank you again.

    Previously, I have used the example of the struggle involved in my writing a paper on a subject I am very passionate about due to external circumstances - I was travelling extensively in Africa - and knew that I would only have a week on my return to write the paper up. Consequently, I used any spare moment I had to plan the essay, and I was able to write the paper up in five days without issue when I came home. The paper was awarded the highest grade of my cohort and I am I proud of it because of that, the fact I did a subject I love justice, but particularly because I managed to achieve it in less than ideal circumstances. The paper also was a reason why I was selected for a highly competitive traineeship abroad where I presented the paper to my team who were experts on the subject (stressful!).

    I don't think this involves your last point (something that benefits others) - so I will have a longer think today if I have a better example that involves that point, alongside everything else. While I have done things that benefit others (e.g. volunteering, beginning initiatives to assist others, and increasing diversity), they don't really fulfil the other points (particularly as I was not out of my comfort zone for any of them).

    I'll have a think today!!!

    Thank you, Jessica.
     

    Jessica Booker

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    Hi Jessica, thank you so much for explaining that so well. I think I have a much clearer understanding of what firms are looking for now and the reasons why. Thank you again.

    Previously, I have used the example of the struggle involved in my writing a paper on a subject I am very passionate about due to external circumstances - I was travelling extensively in Africa - and knew that I would only have a week on my return to write the paper up. Consequently, I used any spare moment I had to plan the essay, and I was able to write the paper up in five days without issue when I came home. The paper was awarded the highest grade of my cohort and I am I proud of it because of that, the fact I did a subject I love justice, but particularly because I managed to achieve it in less than ideal circumstances. The paper also was a reason why I was selected for a highly competitive traineeship abroad where I presented the paper to my team who were experts on the subject (stressful!).

    I don't think this involves your last point (something that benefits others) - so I will have a longer think today if I have a better example that involves that point, alongside everything else. While I have done things that benefit others (e.g. volunteering, beginning initiatives to assist others, and increasing diversity), they don't really fulfil the other points (particularly as I was not out of my comfort zone for any of them).

    I'll have a think today!!!

    Thank you, Jessica.
    It doesn’t have to involve all of those points just a combination of some of them.
     
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