Silly question but when we fill out a 'languages spoken' section, do we put down English?
I think they are somewhat useful to compare and contrast firms and pick up general themes of the good and bad parts of firms.I was having a look at Lex 100's survey results (among others). I know there there isn't really an answer to this but how seriously should applicants take the results of things like trainee surveys?
I don't know about 2024, but the 2023 cohort should be doing LPCDoes anyone know whether MoFo will be changing to the SQE for the 2023 or 2024 cohort?? can't seem to find anything about it online!
No. It’s implied. They wouldn’t hire you otherwise. When you join a firm and they ask for your language capabilities they are putting this on the internal system so if they are looking for someone who speaks a foreign language they can source someone internally. Only time I’d put it down is if it is your only language or you are applying to a non-English office.Silly question but when we fill out a 'languages spoken' section, do we put down English?
Congrats on getting 3 VS for the summer! Clearly they’ve seen that you have the skills and knowledge (and potential) to get a training contract and further demonstrate that at a VS, so in all honesty I wouldn’t worry very much about being underprepared. Secondly, there are likely going to be non-law students in the scheme and everyone is expected to do the same tasks etc so again don’t think too much about being underprepared because you clearly are if you got into the scheme in the first place. I do know that the law students on my scheme we’re expected to know contract law quiet well and it was advised before the final interview to revise some modules so that would be my only bit of advise if you have time. Even as a non law student (with no real legal experience) I was asked questions about contract law (although assessed as someone who hadn’t studied it). I’d also recommend getting Christopher Stokes book “all you need to know about the city” and Jake Schogger’s commercial law handbook which were both i drape silbe as ways that I built up my commercial knowledge/what’s the day-to-day life of a lawyer. I’d also recommend listening to podcasts when you have some free time, two of my favourites are commercial awareness with Watson’s Daily and the weekly money talks podcast by the Economist! All of this is good if you have the time to do it, but I really wouldn’t stress out too much about it as they’re looking for a range of skills like team work, presentation, written skills and problem solving alongside the technical knowledge. Make sure to be yourself, be friendly and stay calm as that’s the best way to enjoy the experience which is likely to produce the best results! Hope that helpsHello all - this might not be the right thread to post this is so if there is somewhere/someone more appropriate I should direct this to, please do let me know.
I have 3 vacation schemes coming up this summer. I'm really excited but feel quite underprepared in terms of knowledge. I haven't done my LPC yet, my paralegal experience is not commercial and I didn't really study commercial law modules at university.
I'm hoping we are not expected to have too much knowledge but I would like to have a more general understanding before starting than I do now. I'm worried I will miss out on being able to participate fully if not.
Does anyone have any suggestions on what to read etc for a good background / or overviews of helpful concepts / terminology. I guess it could be LPC / uni type textbooks but again, recommendations / suggestions would be really appreciated!
Thanks in advance!
I think @thirdtimelucky has given you an excellent perspective on this already. The best part about law, and specifically commercial law if I can say so myself, is that non-legal/non-commercial experience is just as important as legal/commercial experience in helping you understand how you can relate with a diverse range of people and serve your clients pointedly.Hello all - this might not be the right thread to post this is so if there is somewhere/someone more appropriate I should direct this to, please do let me know.
I have 3 vacation schemes coming up this summer. I'm really excited but feel quite underprepared in terms of knowledge. I haven't done my LPC yet, my paralegal experience is not commercial and I didn't really study commercial law modules at university.
I'm hoping we are not expected to have too much knowledge but I would like to have a more general understanding before starting than I do now. I'm worried I will miss out on being able to participate fully if not.
Does anyone have any suggestions on what to read etc for a good background / or overviews of helpful concepts / terminology. I guess it could be LPC / uni type textbooks but again, recommendations / suggestions would be really appreciated!
Thanks in advance!
Hey @georgiejg,Hello all - this might not be the right thread to post this is so if there is somewhere/someone more appropriate I should direct this to, please do let me know.
I have 3 vacation schemes coming up this summer. I'm really excited but feel quite underprepared in terms of knowledge. I haven't done my LPC yet, my paralegal experience is not commercial and I didn't really study commercial law modules at university.
I'm hoping we are not expected to have too much knowledge but I would like to have a more general understanding before starting than I do now. I'm worried I will miss out on being able to participate fully if not.
Does anyone have any suggestions on what to read etc for a good background / or overviews of helpful concepts / terminology. I guess it could be LPC / uni type textbooks but again, recommendations / suggestions would be really appreciated!
Thanks in advance!
Hey @georgiejg,
Congratulations on your three schemes! 💪 This is awesome news and a huge achievement.
I agree with @thirdtimelucky about Watson's Daily and Jake Schogger's book. Jake's Training Contract Handbook is invaluable in my experience. @AvniD's point about non-commercial/legal experience still being relevant and important is also spot on.
One thing that I would say is that the expectation of legal knowledge in vacation schemes varies between firms. For example, at White & Case we were all given standardised tasks (in addition to some work given directly by our supervisors), whereas at HSF and Akin there was one standardised task that everyone did, but the majority was supervisor-led. So if you can, try to gain an idea of how you are likely to be assessed. If you are being assessed alongside other non-law students for some of the vacation scheme, I think @thirdtimelucky is right that you will not be expected to be extremely hot on your legal knowledge for those parts (although this will help either way).
I was a non-law student (pre-PGDL) when I did my vacation schemes, so I can only really speculate on what was expected of law students. I would guess that firms are likely to see some evidence of legal knowledge from you. My advice would be to have a look on LinkedIn and see whether there are any other students/trainees who did the scheme and ask them about the firm's expectations. If you can find out from someone who did the scheme as a pre-LPC law student, even better.
Listening to a commercial news podcast daily/every other day, reading Watson's Daily (if you can afford it) and having a look through the resources mentioned above will set you in good stead.
As a more generic piece of advice for anyone doing vacation schemes, my advice is always to use an executive summary (as far as possible) in your written tasks.
Please do reach out any time if you would like any further thoughts or advice! Excited to hear how they go 🚀
Honestly, you should be able to arrange a short interview before the work day starts or after it ends, and if not, you can claim something university-related (e.g. a compulsory debrief with your advisor)!Does anyone know what to do if a TC interview clashes with a vacation scheme for another firm? I am already taking a day off from my VS for graduation so I cannot take any more days off, however, there is only one slot left for the training contract interview of another firm. I am not sure what to do?!
This is really inspiring - congratulations!!Finally today received my MDR rejection, this was my first application in December 2021. This ends my application season!
9 applications:
5 post application rejections
1 post second stage rejection (TW arctic shores)
3 VS offers!
I am so glad I found this forum, it provided some sanity when I was feeling hopeless!
Hi Georgie! I thought I'd share a really useful piece of advice my mam was told by someone in charge of recruitment at a firm who she met on a train (long story I know). While you're going to be doing loads of group activities and networking, make sure the firm has some concrete work from you to assess you on at the end of the VS- apparently a lot of candidates stumble here by devoting too much time to networking, meeting people etc. so make sure you're really utilising your time the best you canMany thanks @thirdtimelucky, @AvniD and George! All super helpful and reassuring !
Your screen name (it might be where I am reading it as Pasta rather than Past A....) 🤣Hi Georgie! I thought I'd share a really useful piece of advice my mam was told by someone in charge of recruitment at a firm who she met on a train (long story I know). While you're going to be doing loads of group activities and networking, make sure the firm has some concrete work from you to assess you on at the end of the VS- apparently a lot of candidates stumble here by devoting too much time to networking, meeting people etc. so make sure you're really utilising your time the best you can
Congrats on getting three VS!
The scheme is running this year but the advert has not been posted yet. Keep an eye out for it onlineDoes anyone know if the BBC Level 7 Graduate Legal Apprenticeship is running this year? Can't find anything about applying, only the advert from last year.