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Ram Sabaratnam

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hey guys, a firm i am applying to has 6 boxes in the work experience section, a further 750 word space for 'additional work experience' and then 5 boxes in the activities & achievements section. I certainly have many experiences to write about, but not enough to fill every box in every section. Just wanted thoughts on how it would look to the recruiter if every section's boxes were not fully used up (if that makes sense lol). Thank youuuuu

Hiya @lawyersum :)


I'd be curious to see what @Jessica Booker says here, but I think it's completely fine if you don't fill every single box in each section. Based on my own experience, I've had the impression that recruiters understand that not everyone will have an equal number of experiences to include, and they are more interested in the quality of what you share than in simply seeing all the boxes filled. What matters most is that the experiences you do include are relevant, well-written, and demonstrate the skills and qualities they are looking for in a trainee. Also, I'd encourage you to include all your relevant experience and not leaving anything out.

So overall I wouldn't stress about the number of entries. Just ensure that you're using the spaces given to effectively cover the wide range of work and experiences you've had to date. Hope this helps and good luck with the application!
 

Jessica Booker

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Hiya @lawyersum :)


I'd be curious to see what @Jessica Booker says here, but I think it's completely fine if you don't fill every single box in each section. Based on my own experience, I've had the impression that recruiters understand that not everyone will have an equal number of experiences to include, and they are more interested in the quality of what you share than in simply seeing all the boxes filled. What matters most is that the experiences you do include are relevant, well-written, and demonstrate the skills and qualities they are looking for in a trainee. Also, I'd encourage you to include all your relevant experience and not leaving anything out.

So overall I wouldn't stress about the number of entries. Just ensure that you're using the spaces given to effectively cover the wide range of work and experiences you've had to date. Hope this helps and good luck with the application!
Definitely not an issue for not all of the boxes to be utilised.
 

wordyversus

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Hi @Amma Usman ,

I have a first-round interview with Gibson Dunn on Monday and was wondering if you had any tips on how I can be successful, especially as a candidate who may be asked why I’m making the transition from medicine to law. I’d love to know what you think made you successful, as well as the points I should avoid making and those I shouldn’t miss.
 

pleasepleaseplease

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Hi everyone, hope you had a wonderful time over the holidays!

I have a first-stage interview with grad rec comping up at a firm and I am a bit confused about what to include in my 'Why the firm?' answer.
I wanted to talk about -
1. The variety of practice areas (also offering a range of clients) with a focus on two practice areas I am interested in.
2. The training at the firm.
3. The innovative nature of the firm.

However, when I speak out loud this answer, it is too long. What do you think would be okay to remove from the answer without impacting my performace too much?

Thanks!
 

pleasepleaseplease

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Hi everyone, hope you had a wonderful time over the holidays!

I have a first-stage interview with grad rec comping up at a firm and I am a bit confused about what to include in my 'Why the firm?' answer.
I wanted to talk about -
1. The variety of practice areas (also offering a range of clients) with a focus on two practice areas I am interested in.
2. The training at the firm.
3. The innovative nature of the firm.

However, when I speak out loud this answer, it is too long. What do you think would be okay to remove from the answer without impacting my performace too much?

Thanks!
Hi - would really appreciate if someone could please provide any advice. Thanks!

@Jessica Booker @Amma Usman @Andrei Radu @Ram Sabaratnam
 

Andrei Radu

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Hi everyone, hope you had a wonderful time over the holidays!

I have a first-stage interview with grad rec comping up at a firm and I am a bit confused about what to include in my 'Why the firm?' answer.
I wanted to talk about -
1. The variety of practice areas (also offering a range of clients) with a focus on two practice areas I am interested in.
2. The training at the firm.
3. The innovative nature of the firm.

However, when I speak out loud this answer, it is too long. What do you think would be okay to remove from the answer without impacting my performace too much?

Thanks!
Hi there! Firstly, I just wanted ask how long does it take you to answer if you keep everything in? Before my interviews I always had this worry about my answers being too long and the people advising me always told me not to worry too much about it - while you will hear a lot about "conversational" interviews (and to the extent possible, it is indeed good to have that), the main purpose of the interview is to offer you a platform for you to speak. In my interviews, my 'why the firm' answer always took me at least 3 full minutes and it was never an issue.

In one case, for a firm I had a lot of reasons, which were well-researched and fitted my experiences, my 'why the firm' answer took almost 10 minutes. I could see the interviewers were really impressed while I was articulating it and I ended up receiving a VS offer before leaving the office. Now, I do not advise you to generally aim for this. Initially, I had prepared a significantly shorter answer, but as I was going through my first point I noticed the partners really liked it when I was going on a deeper level of analysis and from time to time praised my points and added commentary. Thus, I think part of your thinking when determining how long to speak for should be based on your read of the attitude of the interviewers. If you see they seem to get impatient, you might want to shorten your analysis on each reason and maybe drop some points. However, if you see they are interested and engaged, there is no reason to hold back. If you are unsure, you can even check at certain points to see if it is fine to continue - you can say something like "There are two further reasons for my interest in the firm that I intended to discuss, but just being conscious of time I thought to ask if it is fine to continue or if you would prefer to move on to something else?"

To summarize, I will highlight to main takeaways from my experience:
  1. If your answer does not take longer than around 3 minutes, there is no reason to shorten it.
  2. If it is longer than that, you can prepare both a short version of the answer and a longer one, read the attitude of the interviewers, and then make a judgement call on which to use.
As to your question as to what you should cut (assuming you still have a need for that) my somewhat unhelpful answer is that it depends on the firm. The three reasons you mentioned may each be more or less persuasive depending on that. You want to consider both (i) how 'unique' to the firm each reason is - to how many others does it apply to at one level or another?; and (ii) how 'important' it is regarding your experience at the firm as a trainee. I cannot say anything about (i) without knowing which firm you are referring to, but, all other things being equal, for (ii) I would say the third reason you mentioned is the least important. While innovation is certainly something firms are increasingly focused on, the legal industry has generally been quite conservative and risk-averse, so there is a limit as to how much firms are actually willing to do in this regard. More importantly, especially when compared to practice area selection and training, innovation is something I believe trainees are impacted by less often in their day to day life at the firm.
 

pleasepleaseplease

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Hi there! Firstly, I just wanted ask how long does it take you to answer if you keep everything in? Before my interviews I always had this worry about my answers being too long and the people advising me always told me not to worry too much about it - while you will hear a lot about "conversational" interviews (and to the extent possible, it is indeed good to have that), the main purpose of the interview is to offer you a platform for you to speak. In my interviews, my 'why the firm' answer always took me at least 3 full minutes and it was never an issue.

In one case, for a firm I had a lot of reasons, which were well-researched and fitted my experiences, my 'why the firm' answer took almost 10 minutes. I could see the interviewers were really impressed while I was articulating it and I ended up receiving a VS offer before leaving the office. Now, I do not advise you to generally aim for this. Initially, I had prepared a significantly shorter answer, but as I was going through my first point I noticed the partners really liked it when I was going on a deeper level of analysis and from time to time praised my points and added commentary. Thus, I think part of your thinking when determining how long to speak for should be based on your read of the attitude of the interviewers. If you see they seem to get impatient, you might want to shorten your analysis on each reason and maybe drop some points. However, if you see they are interested and engaged, there is no reason to hold back. If you are unsure, you can even check at certain points to see if it is fine to continue - you can say something like "There are two further reasons for my interest in the firm that I intended to discuss, but just being conscious of time I thought to ask if it is fine to continue or if you would prefer to move on to something else?"

To summarize, I will highlight to main takeaways from my experience:
  1. If your answer does not take longer than around 3 minutes, there is no reason to shorten it.
  2. If it is longer than that, you can prepare both a short version of the answer and a longer one, read the attitude of the interviewers, and then make a judgement call on which to use.
As to your question as to what you should cut (assuming you still have a need for that) my somewhat unhelpful answer is that it depends on the firm. The three reasons you mentioned may each be more or less persuasive depending on that. You want to consider both (i) how 'unique' to the firm each reason is - to how many others does it apply to at one level or another?; and (ii) how 'important' it is regarding your experience at the firm as a trainee. I cannot say anything about (i) without knowing which firm you are referring to, but, all other things being equal, for (ii) I would say the third reason you mentioned is the least important. While innovation is certainly something firms are increasingly focused on, the legal industry has generally been quite conservative and risk-averse, so there is a limit as to how much firms are actually willing to do in this regard. More importantly, especially when compared to practice area selection and training, innovation is something I believe trainees are impacted by less often in their day to day life at the firm.
Hi Andrei, many thanks for such a useful response! I think I will prepare a shorter version without focusing on the innovation bit and would try to gauge whether the interviewer would like me to conitue and may even ask them if they would. The firm prides itself on its innovative nature and has created cost-effective alternative legal services so I do think it is something worth talking about but I agree with you that practice areas and training at the firm take precedence.
 
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