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Hi All,
I was curious what are thhe kinds of feeback you've received post AC where the outcome was a rejection.
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Hi @futuretcholder

It's great that you're already thinking about the feedback you might receive post AC. Reflecting on this early is such an important step in improving your performance over time. I’ve had a range of feedback myself, and I’ve found that it tends to fall into a few key areas. I've tried to organise this feedback clearly below and hope it makes sense. Hopefully, this will be helpful for you!
  1. Motivation:
    • One area where I received feedback was around my motivations for joining the profession. At times, interviewers were unsure about my commitment to commercial law, which may have been because I leaned heavily on examples from my experience in the legal aid sector during motivational and competency interviews. While those experiences were valuable, it's crucial to demonstrate that your passion for commercial law is genuine and well-considered. Law firms want to know not only that you're motivated but that your reasons for pursuing commercial law align with what the role entails. Having a well-rounded narrative, backed by considered reasons and diverse examples, shows that you understand what is distinctive about commercial practice.
  2. Interviewing Skills:
    • Being quite extroverted, I enjoy speaking with people, but this sometimes led me to be a bit too chatty or casual during interviews. Feedback I received pointed out that while my enthusiasm was appreciated, it was important to be more concise and professional in my responses. Interviewers are often working within tight time constraints, and giving clear, focused answers helps demonstrate that you can communicate effectively and respect their time. In a commercial law setting, being able to explain complex ideas succinctly is crucial, as clients and colleagues value clarity and precision. With practice, I learned to give direct answers while still conveying enthusiasm, and I found this significantly improved my overall performance. Finding that balance really helped me come across as more polished and business-like during interviews. With practice, I worked on answering questions more concisely and maintaining a professional tone throughout. Finding that balance really helped me improve my performance.
  3. Group Performance:
    • Although I’m generally outgoing, I would sometimes hold back during group exercises, worried about seeming too dominant. Feedback from grad recruitment encouraged me to be more involved. I started aiming to contribute at least 2-3 times during the exercise and made a point of actively engaging with others by asking questions to draw them in. This made a big difference in how my contributions were perceived by grad rec and partners observing these exercises. Overall, I saw that being overly cautious about not dominating the conversation can sometimes work against you. It’s important to contribute confidently, but in a way that also encourages others to share their views. For me, this meant making sure I said at least 2-3 things during the exercise and phrasing some of my points as questions to keep the conversation inclusive. This approach showed that I was not only engaged but also thinking about the group’s dynamic, which is a key skill firms look for in future lawyers. The lesson here is that you don’t need to fear dominating the conversation if you’re being thoughtful about the balance between offering ideas and involving others.
  4. Written Exercises:
    • Written tasks were challenging for me at first, especially since I wasn’t used to working with the types of documents trainees encounter, like contracts or memos. Feedback often pointed out that I either included too much detail or, when trying to simplify, left out important depth. If you haven’t had much experience working with or reviewing the kinds of documents trainees handle, including various agreements, client letters, or memos, it can feel quite daunting at first. It can be difficult to understand the level of precision and attention to detail expected in these tasks. But with consistent practice, it becomes more manageable. With enough repetition, I learned to balance clarity, formatting, and an appropriate level of depth. I also tried my hardest to learn about the types of documents that trainees typically encounter. Even if it feels overwhelming initially, consistent practice helps you build the skills needed to handle these exercises confidently during assessment centres.
Given the range of skills that ACs typically test, it can feel like an uphill battle trying to improve on one's interviewing, teamwork, commercial awareness, writing, and so forth. The key is taking the feedback in stride, continuing to practise, and giving yourself room to develop. It took me many tries to get things right, and that's completely normal. Keep at it - every AC experience helps you get better!

Wishing you all the best for your ACs, and feel free to reach out if you have any more questions!
 

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Hi, this chain has been really insightful! I have a few questions myself
1. Do you have any tips for the work experience section of each application - I have been writing a general description of the tasks that I do at each role and the skills they have taught me but since many of these firm applications only have set questions and do not ask for a cover letter/cv, I feel that i may need to brush up on this section. Is it necessary to link the work experience to commercial law/ use STAR to describe tasks?
2. Before applying, would you recommend a substantial amount of research? I generally do about 2-3 hours of research for each firm and then work on my application. I fear that doing too much and it not fully applying to the application may waste my time as if i get a rejection thats many hours of work that I will never be asked about
3. How to deal with constant rejection- I am one year post grad and just now realising I want to commit to a career in commercial law. Whilst doing my law degree at Uni- my interest was wavering so I didnt fully commit to each application cycle. This is the first where I am investing my time and energy but I have received 3 rejections already for straight TC's and I cant help but feel discouraged.
4. Leading on from 3- I graduated with a mid 2:1 and I know alot of the bigger firms (which i am applying for) attract top candidates who get 1sts from oxbridge etc. I got mainly 2:2s in my first year but amped it up in my final two years only getting 2:1s and a few 1sts. One of my final 3rd year grades was a 2:2 and it was my only for two years- I am not sure why. Will this negatively affect my chances?

Thank you for your time so far ! I hope you can help :)
Hi there - and thanks for the question!

1. I think your approach should depend on the specific work experience you are describing. In general, I think it is good advice to use the STAR structure, especially if the work experience includes a higher number of aspects you could discuss. Regarding the link to commercial law, I don't think linking the skills your experience demonstrates to the job of a trainee can disadvantage you. However, I'd be weary of repeating myself across the application or making tenuous connections.

2. The short answer is yes - I think a substantial amount of research significantly improves your chances of writing truly high-quality applications. The longer answer is that it depends. Firstly, it depends on your own pace of research - some people are able to find the relevant information and exhaust sources a lot faster than others. Secondly, it depends on how easy it is to find a law firm's unique selling points (USPs) - this is the main objective of your research. Some firms, like Slaughter and May, will advertise their selling points from an applicant's perspective directly on their website. For some other firms, you can find articles discussing their USPs from secondary sources like TCLA's Law Firms Profiles. For other firms, you will have to find these USPs by making inferences from your own research. That being said, I do think there is a point of diminishing returns in investing a lot of time in research. Your primary objective should be to find firm USPs that you can link to your motivations and experiences to enable you to write a great answer to 'Why the firm' questions. As such, once you have found that, you should not feel you need to continue researching for researching's sake.

3. Firstly, congratulations for sticking with the applications and for deciding to fully commit this cycle. Commitment and consistency in your efforts makes a huge difference and significantly increases your chances of success. I know it's easy to say and lot more difficult to actually practice, but do try not to feel disheartened by the rejections. Everyone keeps repeating how competitive the application process is, but few actually internalize what this means. MC/SC firms generally have an under 2% success rate, and some elite US firms have a success rate under 1%. Even the very best of candidates (Oxbridge/top Russell group unis, 1.1 degree outcome/prediction, previous legal work experience, and high quality written answers) get rejected in around 2/3 of their applications. Commercial law applications are in big part a numbers game - many people get rejected in 20-30 applications before finally getting their TCs. In my own journey, in my first cycle I was rejected at first stage in all my applications. The second time (which is when I fully committed to the process), I was rejected in my first few applications just like you, but finished the cycle with three TC offers from top US firms. Do not take rejections personally - I ended up being rejected at the first stage by some of the firms in whose applications I had put most effort in, and ended up being progressed with some of the applications I thought could have been further improved. Acknowledge that you can and will fail many times - but that matters not, as you only need to succeed once. Finally, try to use your frustration with your past rejections as a source of motivation for being more determined than ever to write as many great applications as possible. You are not alone, and you definitely can do it!

4. Here, I'd say your grades are not a big issue (besides a small number of firms that are really selective on this point, and are generally well known for this). The first year grades are the ones recruiters will be least focused on. Also, I've seen many people with mid 2.1s get into MC/top US firms. Similarly, although some firms are more focused on Oxbridge and top Russell group unis, I've seen enough candidates from less prestigious universities get TCs at such firms that I think it's definitely worth a shot. However, this is a factor that you should keep in mind when constructing your application strategy and I definitely think you should apply to diverse range of firms to maximize success chances. Even if your ultimate objective might be to work for a particular type of firm, it is a lot easier to get there by pursuing a lateral move post qualification rather than applying again and again for a TC.

Hope this was helpful and best of luck with your applications this cycle!
 
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Hi everyone, should you include your vacation scheme in your work experience section of the application - I have included it within my application answers, but not sure if it goes in this section as well?
 

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Hi everyone, should you include your vacation scheme in your work experience section of the application - I have included it within my application answers, but not sure if it goes in this section as well?

Hi friend :)

Yes, I’d definitely recommend including your vacation scheme in the work experience section of your application. While it’s great that you’ve mentioned specific pieces of work in your application answers to support why you’re interested in commercial law or interested in a firm, the work experience section is where you can really cover the range of tasks and responsibilities you experienced during a scheme.

By including your vacation scheme as an entry in your work experience section, you can also showcase the various skills and abilities you developed and the trainee-level tasks you might’ve gained exposure to. It’s a chance to show how your time during the scheme helped you grow professionally and prepared you for the demands of a training contract.

Good luck with the application!
 

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Hi friend :)

Yes, I’d definitely recommend including your vacation scheme in the work experience section of your application. While it’s great that you’ve mentioned specific pieces of work in your application answers to support why you’re interested in commercial law or interested in a firm, the work experience section is where you can really cover the range of tasks and responsibilities you experienced during a scheme.

By including your vacation scheme as an entry in your work experience section, you can also showcase the various skills and abilities you developed and the trainee-level tasks you might’ve gained exposure to. It’s a chance to show how your time during the scheme helped you grow professionally and prepared you for the demands of a training contract.

Good luck with the application!
Thank you so much
 

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    2. Before applying, would you recommend a substantial amount of research? I generally do about 2-3 hours of research for each firm and then work on my application. I fear that doing too much and it not fully applying to the application may waste my time as if i get a rejection thats many hours of work that I will never be asked about
    omg same! i literally just research things that may be relevant for my application then at the end i only do an in-depth research if i get to the ac/interview stage
     
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    omg same! i literally just research things that may be relevant for my application then at the end i only do an in-depth research if i get to the ac/interview stage
    Yeah whilst i was at uni i would do hours of research and just got rejected anyways haha. Maybe this year will come with some luck. Just did the ashurst tests feel like I may aswell just not have applied it was so odd haha
     
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    Regarding the White & Case application, is it OK to repeat myself with the following question and cover letter:

    1. Please provide a covering letter in the space below.

    Please tell us why you are interested in a career in commercial law and, in particular, why you would like to join White & Case. We are also interested in knowing what skills and attributes you have developed that you think are suited to a career in law at our firm. We are specifically looking for you to demonstrate some of our core competencies, in particular tenacity and determination, commercial awareness and a global mindset.

    2. Please give details of any interests and extra-curricular activities, including any positions of responsibility or achievements. Tell us what skills and competencies you have developed in the activities you have undertaken and how you developed these.

    I have highlighted the part of the cover letter that I feel is the same with Q2. How would you advise I approach this?

    @Jessica Booker @Ram Sabaratnam @Kay Aston @Amma Usman @Andrei Radu
     

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    Regarding the White & Case application, is it OK to repeat myself with the following question and cover letter:

    1. Please provide a covering letter in the space below.

    Please tell us why you are interested in a career in commercial law and, in particular, why you would like to join White & Case. We are also interested in knowing what skills and attributes you have developed that you think are suited to a career in law at our firm. We are specifically looking for you to demonstrate some of our core competencies, in particular tenacity and determination, commercial awareness and a global mindset.

    2. Please give details of any interests and extra-curricular activities, including any positions of responsibility or achievements. Tell us what skills and competencies you have developed in the activities you have undertaken and how you developed these.

    I have highlighted the part of the cover letter that I feel is the same with Q2. How would you advise I approach this?

    @Jessica Booker @Ram Sabaratnam @Kay Aston @Amma Usman @Andrei Radu
    I'd personally avoid repetition and try to seperate out evidence so it fits into one of the two questions, depending on what fits where. You could highlight different experiences or skills across the two sections, especially where the first question asks you to focus on core competencies, while the second section could highlight other skills.
     
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    Regarding the White & Case application, is it OK to repeat myself with the following question and cover letter:

    1. Please provide a covering letter in the space below.

    Please tell us why you are interested in a career in commercial law and, in particular, why you would like to join White & Case. We are also interested in knowing what skills and attributes you have developed that you think are suited to a career in law at our firm. We are specifically looking for you to demonstrate some of our core competencies, in particular tenacity and determination, commercial awareness and a global mindset.

    2. Please give details of any interests and extra-curricular activities, including any positions of responsibility or achievements. Tell us what skills and competencies you have developed in the activities you have undertaken and how you developed these.

    I have highlighted the part of the cover letter that I feel is the same with Q2. How would you advise I approach this?

    @Jessica Booker @Ram Sabaratnam @Kay Aston @Amma Usman @Andrei Radu
    I definitely agree with @Jessica Booker's answer. I think it would be best to avoid discussing the same experiences and achievements. I would choose the most relevant experiences for "Why commercial law?", "Why the firm?", "Why me to?" and discuss them in detail in the cover letter. I would not choose more than 1-2 relevant experiences for each section. Subsequently, I would discuss all the experiences and achievements that are left when answering the second question on the form. I used this approach last year and my application was progressed.

    However, if after putting a lot of thought into it you find that you still do not have enough experiences to discuss separately in the two answers, I would still avoid pure repetition. Rather, after writing the cover letter, I would try to think of all the aspects and information related to my experiences that I hadn't written there and I would focus on that when answering the second question. That way, your answer will still add some value to your application by giving the graduate recruitment team more detailed insight into your achievements and skills.
     
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    Hi @Ram Sabaratnam,

    Would I be eligible to apply for the Diversity Fellowship as a PGDL student?

    Thanks!

    Hiya @fta2024

    The Summer Diversity Scheme appears to be designed specifically for students on a more traditional 3 or 4-year degree path, so it may not be the best fit in this instance. You can find more details on the Cooley website for clarification, and if you have any questions, I’d suggest reaching out to Sarah Warnes, who could provide more insight. That being said, I’d definitely recommend applying for the vacation scheme! It’s a fantastic opportunity to meet the firm.

    Best of luck with your application :)
     
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    Hi @Kay Aston ! Firstly - thank you so, so much for this super helpful and detailed response!! You guys are genuinely the best - I have been so lucky to be able to hear from you and @Amma Usman 🫶 i really appreciate your kindness - again, thank you so much!!

    Thank you so much for your recommendation of Jake Schogger's book - I will add that to the top of my list along with the Coggan.
    A Notion page for commercial awareness sounds really practical and tidy way of keeping things organised! I have been using the TCLA application tracker on Notion so I will create a Commercial Awareness page too! 😊

    I'd greatly appreciate if I could ask a quick follow-up question 😊
    You mentioned that some practical things to learn about would include things like:

    I'm currently reading a Christopher Stoakes book entitled 'All You Need to Know about the City'. Whilst it's touched on some of the above, it's missing some detail on how M&A deals work, document drafting and especially the last point on the legal teams. Would the two books you and @Amma Usman recommended cover that material?

    I'm a bit worried because I've been going quite slowly through the Stoakes book since there's a lot of nitty-bitty stuff that I wasn't really familiar with, yet I worry it's maybe surface level/not enough to pass an AC..

    Hopefully a combo of the three books + podcasts/current affairs stuff + mock ACs will be enough o_O
    Hey @ashwright, great question!

    I have also read the book by Stoakes and I had the same exact feeling. It felt as though I was stepping into something totally knew, so I grabbed multiple highlighters and sticky notes to make points on things I wanted to remember or do some more research on. This should be a great starting point.

    The other point is that because these books are largely finance-related, there will be few details on the legal profession, though you could make some implied connections to the field based off the concepts you learn. Again, even this is surface level and would require a greater understanding of areas such as M&A - a typical AC case study topic. TCLAs M&A course personally helped me bolster this knowledge at the time.

    I had also spent some time creating a glossary of M&A terms and by the time I knew it, I was using them in ACs as they had already become second nature. I will make a separate thread of a (non-exhaustive) list of M&A terms to help, and refer you to it. I had also published an article on private equity HERE which I believe should also help out, particularly given that both areas are largely transactional and a lot of the concepts overlap. Also, there is a section of the article on legal teams which again, has a lot of ideas which could be linked to M&A deals as well.

    Hope this helps, and let me know if you’ve got any more questions!
     
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    Hey @ashwright, great question!

    I have also read the book by Stoakes and I had the same exact feeling. It felt as though I was stepping into something totally knew, so I grabbed multiple highlighters and sticky notes to make points on things I wanted to remember or do some more research on. This should be a great starting point.

    The other point is that because these books are largely finance-related, there will be few details on the legal profession, though you could make some implied connections to the field based off the concepts you learn. Again, even this is surface level and would require a greater understanding of areas such as M&A - a typical AC case study topic. TCLAs M&A course personally helped me bolster this knowledge at the time.

    I had also spent some time creating a glossary of M&A terms and by the time I knew it, I was using them in ACs as they had already become second nature. I will make a separate thread of a (non-exhaustive) list of M&A terms to help, and refer you to it. I had also published an article on private equity HERE which I believe should also help out, particularly given that both areas are largely transactional and a lot of the concepts overlap. Also, there is a section of the article on legal teams which again, has a lot of ideas which could be linked to M&A deals as well.

    Hope this helps, and let me know if you’ve got any more questions!
    Hey @ashwright, I have linked the glossary of M&A terms HERE :)
     
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    I definitely agree with @Jessica Booker's answer. I think it would be best to avoid discussing the same experiences and achievements. I would choose the most relevant experiences for "Why commercial law?", "Why the firm?", "Why me to?" and discuss them in detail in the cover letter. I would not choose more than 1-2 relevant experiences for each section. Subsequently, I would discuss all the experiences and achievements that are left when answering the second question on the form. I used this approach last year and my application was progressed.

    However, if after putting a lot of thought into it you find that you still do not have enough experiences to discuss separately in the two answers, I would still avoid pure repetition. Rather, after writing the cover letter, I would try to think of all the aspects and information related to my experiences that I hadn't written there and I would focus on that when answering the second question. That way, your answer will still add some value to your application by giving the graduate recruitment team more detailed insight into your achievements and skills.
    Many thanks, I appreciate it!
     

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    Hi @Ram Sabaratnam ,

    I want to apply to the Meet Cooley event and after that to the summer programme. I see that Cooley is recruiting on a rolling basis and I was wondering whether I will be at a disadvantage by applying to the summer programme at a further date.

    Furthermore, I see that I can apply for both the Meet Cooley event and the summer programme in the same application. Would I be able to change my answers for the application to the summer programme after attending the Meet Cooley event? Also if I can't change it would there even be a point of applying to the Meet Cooley event since I won't be able to add it in my application and further tailor my answers after attending it?


    Thank you!
     

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    Hi everyone! A firm in one of their application questions asks what person or event has had the biggest impact on you over the last year, and how would you utilise what you have learnt from this, in your role as a trainee at the firm. Does anyone have any advice on answering this, and would I be able to discuss a work experience/legal placement experience instead of event?

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    Hi everyone! A firm in one of their application questions asks what person or event has had the biggest impact on you over the last year, and how would you utilise what you have learnt from this, in your role as a trainee at the firm. Does anyone have any advice on answering this, and would I be able to discuss a work experience/legal placement experience instead of event?

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    I would recommend trying to think more broadly than work experience/legal placements.

    Your work experience/legal placement will already be on your application form, and so this is an opportunity to present something different. Your answer is also more likely to be more unique if you choose something other than a legal placement.

    Alternatively, if you do want to talk about work experience, maybe focus on something very particular within it rather than talking about the placement broadly. For instance, is there a specific task/event within the work experience that would be more unique? Or could you talk about how a particular person on your placement inspired you (given they have said it can be a person who has inspired you).

    I’d just avoid generic “my vacation scheme was inspiring” statements as it just is a bit predictable/safe and something lots of other people can also state. But saying “my interaction with Client Joe Bloggs inspired me to” or “Working with partner Jane Smith was inspiring” is more specific/individual than claiming a whole placement.
     

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    I would recommend trying to think more broadly than work experience/legal placements.

    Your work experience/legal placement will already be on your application form, and so this is an opportunity to present something different. Your answer is also more likely to be more unique if you choose something other than a legal placement.

    Alternatively, if you do want to talk about work experience, maybe focus on something very particular within it rather than talking about the placement broadly. For instance, is there a specific task/event within the work experience that would be more unique? Or could you talk about how a particular person on your placement inspired you (given they have said it can be a person who has inspired you).

    I’d just avoid generic “my vacation scheme was inspiring” statements as it just is a bit predictable/safe and something lots of other people can also state. But saying “my interaction with Client Joe Bloggs inspired me to” or “Working with partner Jane Smith was inspiring” is more specific/individual than claiming a whole placement.
    Hi @Jessica Booker! Thank you for this, this is very helpful advice.
     

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    I would recommend trying to think more broadly than work experience/legal placements.

    Your work experience/legal placement will already be on your application form, and so this is an opportunity to present something different. Your answer is also more likely to be more unique if you choose something other than a legal placement.

    Alternatively, if you do want to talk about work experience, maybe focus on something very particular within it rather than talking about the placement broadly. For instance, is there a specific task/event within the work experience that would be more unique? Or could you talk about how a particular person on your placement inspired you (given they have said it can be a person who has inspired you).

    I’d just avoid generic “my vacation scheme was inspiring” statements as it just is a bit predictable/safe and something lots of other people can also state. But saying “my interaction with Client Joe Bloggs inspired me to” or “Working with partner Jane Smith was inspiring” is more specific/individual than claiming a whole placement.
    Hi @Jessica Booker. With this question, it specifically states to keep the firm's values of trust, innovation and collaboration in mind. Should I link the firm's values to what I have learnt in the role?
     

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