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TCLA Vacation Scheme Applications Discussion Thread 2024-25

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Guys, what are your thoughts on this? (Not trying to stir things up here, I genuinely want to hear thoughts from the lawyers of the future at these firms so please keep it friendly hehe)
My controversial opinion which I hope doesn’t lead to me getting cancelled on the forum, is that the purpose of a ‘training contract’ is to ‘train’ trainees and get them to a place of being considered competent and capable enough to become NQ junior associates. That is solely the responsibility of the partners and senior associates of a firm like Gibson Dunn. 🥲

If a firm feels that its Gen-Z trainees and junior associates ‘require more handholding’, perhaps that’s an indication of poor training on their end. Are these firms expecting people to know it all and get things done perfectly the first time around? For most people, their training contract is their first time working in a law firm and working in the city. 🥲​
 
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    Guys, what are your thoughts on this? (Not trying to stir things up here, I genuinely want to hear thoughts from the lawyers of the future at these firms so please keep it friendly hehe)
    I thought it was a very backwards way to look at things. A better phrasing would be: 'we've realised that we need to do better to train junior lawyers.'
     

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    @Ram Sabaratnam @Jessica Booker @Amma Usman @Andrei Radu

    Hi all, I have 3 ACs (one next week) and I’ve never done one. I’ve been preparing but I’m particularly stressed about written exercises. I won’t have time to do a mock one before next week.

    I would like to ask what documents could be required as a written exercise. I know there’s a client letter, memo, but could you please tell me what else there could be? I need to prepare structure wise.

    Additionally, I would like to confirm whether all written exercises must include an executive summary.

    Thank you so much in advance. You guys are saving me this cycle!
    Hi @gazdgazd11 I completely empathize with being stressed about written exercises, as I also did not get to do a mock one before my ACs last year. However, I have found that in practice, as long as I could keep myself focused on being very-time efficient, they were not as challenging as I thought.

    As for your question about types of written exercises, firstly, there's a variety of different 'email-based' formats - mostly in which a partner/associate asks you to complete a task and you need to respond and complete it on an email. Those include in many cases client letters/memos, but can also include some substantive legal analysis tasks (but where you are given all the legal resources you need) and administrative tasks such as proofreadings and scheduling tasks. Besides these, I have also seen article-based written tasks, which tend to be longer and be more argumentative (and in many ways more alike a university essay).

    I do not think you always need an executive summary, and particularly if the answer is quite short or not overly complex. The point of the executive summary is to make your answer more readable by summarizing it at the very beginning. I think you should simply make a judgement call on the day on whether that is necessary or beneficial to include.
     

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    Hi @gazdgazd11 I completely empathize with being stressed about written exercises, as I also did not get to do a mock one before my ACs last year. However, I have found that in practice, as long as I could keep myself focused on being very-time efficient, they were not as challenging as I thought.

    As for your question about types of written exercises, firstly, there's a variety of different 'email-based' formats - mostly in which a partner/associate asks you to complete a task and you need to respond and complete it on an email. Those include in many cases client letters/memos, but can also include some substantive legal analysis tasks (but where you are given all the legal resources you need) and administrative tasks such as proofreadings and scheduling tasks. Besides these, I have also seen article-based written tasks, which tend to be longer and be more argumentative (and in many ways more alike a university essay).

    I do not think you always need an executive summary, and particularly if the answer is quite short or not overly complex. The point of the executive summary is to make your answer more readable by summarizing it at the very beginning. I think you should simply make a judgement call on the day on whether that is necessary or beneficial to include.
    Thank you very much! That’s very helpful :)
     
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    Chris Brown

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    I was literally going to post about this aha. no I haven't I don't want to annoy them 😭
    I remember seeing a post a few weeks back on the forum where someone posted that during their AC, grad rec (HL) told them that AC’s were running until like mid March. I guess when that time comes, if there’s no update from HL, then email and ask. 🙂​
     
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