Oxbridge student rejected from every MC and US firm vac scheme I applied to

MaxC7930

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    Honestly just looking for some advice. I am a second year law student at the Uni of Cambridge, got a 2:1 in First Year, I had met HSF at an open day and networked with them on 3 different occasions. I believe my application was as good as it could have been - I had a friend who get the vac scheme at HSF last year have a final look and give me lots of advice which I incorporated. I did the personality test thing which I apparently passed. All of this just to get rejected with the rejection email citing academics.

    I guess I'm asking what more should I do? Aim for a First this year? Or reduce my expectations and apply to some less competitive firms - possibly in the silver circle? (I have never made it past the application stage at any MC or US firm).

    Any advice would be appreciated - thanks.
     

    Reem2024

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    Honestly just looking for some advice. I am a second year law student at the Uni of Cambridge, got a 2:1 in First Year, I had met HSF at an open day and networked with them on 3 different occasions. I believe my application was as good as it could have been - I had a friend who get the vac scheme at HSF last year have a final look and give me lots of advice which I incorporated. I did the personality test thing which I apparently passed. All of this just to get rejected with the rejection email citing academics.

    I guess I'm asking what more should I do? Aim for a First this year? Or reduce my expectations and apply to some less competitive firms - possibly in the silver circle? (I have never made it past the application stage at any MC or US firm).

    Any advice would be appreciated - thanks.

    I am wondering, did you by any chance get anything lower than a 2:1 in any module? If so thats probably why. I am waiting for a PFO just because I got a 59 in 1 module and I did not realised that their FAQs said 'we look for consistent 2:1s'. :)
     

    BobThebIlly

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    I am wondering, did you by any chance get anything lower than a 2:1 in any module? If so thats probably why. I am waiting for a PFO just because I got a 59 in 1 module and I did not realised that their FAQs said 'we look for consistent 2:1s'. :)
    Even if they did that would still be so bizarre. I think ive only seen one firm (HSF) say that they're looking for consistent 2.1s
     

    Gg2001

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    Honestly just looking for some advice. I am a second year law student at the Uni of Cambridge, got a 2:1 in First Year, I had met HSF at an open day and networked with them on 3 different occasions. I believe my application was as good as it could have been - I had a friend who get the vac scheme at HSF last year have a final look and give me lots of advice which I incorporated. I did the personality test thing which I apparently passed. All of this just to get rejected with the rejection email citing academics.

    I guess I'm asking what more should I do? Aim for a First this year? Or reduce my expectations and apply to some less competitive firms - possibly in the silver circle? (I have never made it past the application stage at any MC or US firm).

    Any advice would be appreciated - thanks.
    Editing my comment cause I didn‘t read your post fully.

    I think the answer is tricky, generally for people who have the grades fall back on something else: application writing, work experience writing, test performance, networking with law firm.

    Even if you did not make it past HSF, I feel like you should have made it past the application round once, if you applied to at least 10-12 law firms with good quality applications. What I am thinking is maybe for other law firms (outside of HSF) you need to improve somewhere outside of grades?

    I did graduate from mid tier russell group uni, people who made it to MC and US firms did get a first class law degree. But then again, Jones Day I think is okay with people applying as long as they have 68 overall? So you need to attend events and talk with grad rec to see whether your grades are ok or not. Some US firms do have trainees that did not get a 1st, but you have to go ask grad rec directly.

    Silver Circle firms do want high 2:1s so grades wise you would be fine at the initial stage. Only thing is I have noticed some people with first class degrees (Oxbridge/UCL/LSE/Kings/Warwick) do tend to have multiple offers from: US, MC and SC firms. So in AC, these would be your competition, it wouldn’t mean SC law firms are less competitive per se but more that the law firms is okay with your grades, if that makes sense? So at AC you will need to do exceptionally well.

    You can apply to firms outside of MC, SC and US firms too btw. Some NQ at Shoosmiths at one grad event said they rejected a US firm offer as they did not culturally fit with the US firm. So you do have more options outside US, MC and SC, like Mischon de Reya , Stephenson Harwood etc

    General advice, I would go on LinkedIn and reach out to uni alumni with your current grades/background. Also try and get on law society committee this year or next year, it will help you massively to network with grad rec on a deeper level. Getting a mentor would be good as well, mentors as they are already trainees have networked with other law firms too, they know which law firms are more fixated on grades etc. Reach out to your uni careers service as well.

    Alternatively, you can fully aim for getting a 1st class degree next year, but as you wont have time to fully apply for law firms, you will need to have great experience: customer service experience, law experience (mooting, negotiation workshops etc), teamwork experience (sports etc). I would also apply for banking and finance internships, if you don’t have a vac scheme you can say at least you made yourself more commercially aware through working in corporate.
     
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    carys09

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    Honestly just looking for some advice. I am a second year law student at the Uni of Cambridge, got a 2:1 in First Year, I had met HSF at an open day and networked with them on 3 different occasions. I believe my application was as good as it could have been - I had a friend who get the vac scheme at HSF last year have a final look and give me lots of advice which I incorporated. I did the personality test thing which I apparently passed. All of this just to get rejected with the rejection email citing academics.

    I guess I'm asking what more should I do? Aim for a First this year? Or reduce my expectations and apply to some less competitive firms - possibly in the silver circle? (I have never made it past the application stage at any MC or US firm).

    Any advice would be appreciated - thanks.

    Hiya!
    I was in the exact same position last year - I'm currently a third-year lawyer at Cambridge, got nothing but rejections last year and now reapplying. I also got a 2:1 in first year.
    My advice would be not to give up on the MC/US firms if that's what you really want. It's not uncommon for students to be rejected on their first try (I know several third years who are reapplying like me) so don't let this get you down. Getting a first can't hurt but it's also really important to have work experience with transferable skills that you can evidence. Having good grades isn't enough if you can't show that you have good transferable skills. It's also not a requirement to get a first to get a TC at MC/US firms, I personally know someone who has a TC from Kirkland and Ellis with a 2:1 so grades are only one factor. But as I can't tell from your post what kind of experience you have I can't tell you for certain whether this is something you need to work on but this is just something you might want to consider over the next year.
     

    yasmars

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    Honestly just looking for some advice. I am a second year law student at the Uni of Cambridge, got a 2:1 in First Year, I had met HSF at an open day and networked with them on 3 different occasions. I believe my application was as good as it could have been - I had a friend who get the vac scheme at HSF last year have a final look and give me lots of advice which I incorporated. I did the personality test thing which I apparently passed. All of this just to get rejected with the rejection email citing academics.

    I guess I'm asking what more should I do? Aim for a First this year? Or reduce my expectations and apply to some less competitive firms - possibly in the silver circle? (I have never made it past the application stage at any MC or US firm).

    Any advice would be appreciated - thanks.
    If you made it to an open day with HSF I doubt your rejection was based on your academics. I don’t see why a firm would invite someone to an open day just to reject their VS application based on low grades? That feedback was most likely generic
     

    xxrr.18

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    Academics really aren't the be all and end all, I have averaged 65 (mid 2:1) in first and second year and was invited to Sidley and W and C for ACs, and was invited to HSF AC in second year when the majority of my grades were low 60s, I think a lot of the time you really really have to write fan fics about how much you love the firm and are inspired by the work they do to give you the edge over other people. Sounds generic but when re reading my successful applications I realise I sound veryyyyyy verryyy keen in comparison to the ones I did not get (doesn't even mean I was probs just did more research). If this still applies then it's probably just luck.

    What I always keep in mind is grad rec themselves often haven't gone through the TC application process themselves, in some cases not even having studied law, and at my Vac Scheme at a silver circle firm (this is going to sound harsh) but I saw how unorganised and dismissive they can be first hand, so don't ever think it's because you don't deserve to be in these spaces. That sounded mean, lol im not trying to dismiss the work they do, but I always do keep that in mind.
     

    MaxC7930

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    Hiya!
    I was in the exact same position last year - I'm currently a third-year lawyer at Cambridge, got nothing but rejections last year and now reapplying. I also got a 2:1 in first year.
    My advice would be not to give up on the MC/US firms if that's what you really want. It's not uncommon for students to be rejected on their first try (I know several third years who are reapplying like me) so don't let this get you down. Getting a first can't hurt but it's also really important to have work experience with transferable skills that you can evidence. Having good grades isn't enough if you can't show that you have good transferable skills. It's also not a requirement to get a first to get a TC at MC/US firms, I personally know someone who has a TC from Kirkland and Ellis with a 2:1 so grades are only one factor. But as I can't tell from your post what kind of experience you have I can't tell you for certain whether this is something you need to work on but this is just something you might want to consider over the next year.
    Hi thanks for your message, that is really reassuring - i'll keep persevering I guess. I have some experience doing tutoring and volunteering but I might look into getting a public facing role or something similar this summer.
     

    MaxC7930

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    Editing my comment cause I didn‘t read your post fully.

    I think the answer is tricky, generally for people who have the grades fall back on something else: application writing, work experience writing, test performance, networking with law firm.

    Even if you did not make it past HSF, I feel like you should have made it past the application round once, if you applied to at least 10-12 law firms with good quality applications. What I am thinking is maybe for other law firms (outside of HSF) you need to improve somewhere outside of grades?

    I did graduate from mid tier russell group uni, people who made it to MC and US firms did get a first class law degree. But then again, Jones Day I think is okay with people applying as long as they have 68 overall? So you need to attend events and talk with grad rec to see whether your grades are ok or not. Some US firms do have trainees that did not get a 1st, but you have to go ask grad rec directly.

    Silver Circle firms do want high 2:1s so grades wise you would be fine at the initial stage. Only thing is I have noticed some people with first class degrees (Oxbridge/UCL/LSE/Kings/Warwick) do tend to have multiple offers from: US, MC and SC firms. So in AC, these would be your competition, it wouldn’t mean SC law firms are less competitive per se but more that the law firms is okay with your grades, if that makes sense? So at AC you will need to do exceptionally well.

    You can apply to firms outside of MC, SC and US firms too btw. Some NQ at Shoosmiths at one grad event said they rejected a US firm offer as they did not culturally fit with the US firm. So you do have more options outside US, MC and SC, like Mischon de Reya , Stephenson Harwood etc

    General advice, I would go on LinkedIn and reach out to uni alumni with your current grades/background. Also try and get on law society committee this year or next year, it will help you massively to network with grad rec on a deeper level. Getting a mentor would be good as well, mentors as they are already trainees have networked with other law firms too, they know which law firms are more fixated on grades etc. Reach out to your uni careers service as well.

    Alternatively, you can fully aim for getting a 1st class degree next year, but as you wont have time to fully apply for law firms, you will need to have great experience: customer service experience, law experience (mooting, negotiation workshops etc), teamwork experience (sports etc). I would also apply for banking and finance internships, if you don’t have a vac scheme you can say at least you made yourself more commercially aware through working in corporate.
    Thanks for the advice - I think getting a mentor will help as if you are right and there are issues with my applications other than grades hopefully they can spot them
     
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