Ask Shearman & Sterling Anything!

[Paul - Shearman & Sterling]

Dear Paul,

I am on a visa that allows 20 paid hours/week during term-time and I have four days overlapping between my term and Shearman's winter/spring vacation scheme dates. Does this allow me to only apply to the summer scheme?

Thanks!

Hi @corplaw0702

It's difficult for me to say. It's your visa, so you need to figure out what you are allowed to do.

The vacation schemes are full-time (for 2-weeks), so it doesn't look like you can as a working week is usually 35 hours, but as I said, it's a little difficult for me to advise.

The summer vacation scheme should be outside of term time though.

Thanks,

Paul

 

[Lastseasonwonder]

Hi @Paul - Shearman & Sterling,

I hope this message finds you well.

I am aware that most law firms who conduct winter vacation schemes take the TC ACs in January following the winter break. In relation to the Shearman & Sterling Winter Vacation Scheme, when will the TC AC take place?

Thank you.

 

[Paul - Shearman & Sterling]

Hi @Paul - Shearman & Sterling,

I hope this message finds you well.

I am aware that most law firms who conduct winter vacation schemes take the TC ACs in January following the winter break. In relation to the Shearman & Sterling Winter Vacation Scheme, when will the TC AC take place?

Thank you.

Hi @Dwight

The assessment centre is built into the vacation scheme, so you will do the assessment centre exercises during your two weeks with us.

Thanks,

Paul

 

[basht]

Hi @Paul - Shearman & Sterling,

Hope you're well.

I wanted to if we have to tailor our work experience section and link it back to the firm as well? or is it ok to just pick out the transferrable skills generally?

Thank you.

 

[Paul - Shearman & Sterling]

Hi @Paul - Shearman & Sterling,

Hope you're well.

I wanted to if we have to tailor our work experience section and link it back to the firm as well? or is it ok to just pick out the transferrable skills generally?

Thank you.

Hi @Taz

For your work experience entries, it's best to write a paragraph simply explaining what the work experience was, key duties, responsibilities, achievements etc.

No need to link everything back to becoming a trainee.

Thanks,

Paul

 

[basht]

Hi @Taz

For your work experience entries, it's best to write a paragraph simply explaining what the work experience was, key duties, responsibilities, achievements etc.

No need to link everything back to becoming a trainee.

Thanks,

Paul

Thank you very much, Paul.

 

[Paul - Shearman & Sterling]

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[Paul - Shearman & Sterling]

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[keepmewherethelightis]

Hi @Paul - Shearman & Sterling! I am a penultimate year law (B.A.LL.B) student from India, expected to graduate in 2023. I am greatly interested in applying for the vacation scheme at Shearman and Sterling. I'd be grateful if you could clarify a few questions that I had:

1. While I am aware the FAQs state that visas for vacation schemes are not sponsored, is there a possibility of this being considered on a case-by-case basis for strong applicants?
2. If a visa sponsorship for the vacation scheme is not possible for an international applicant, is there any possibility of a virtual vacation scheme (which would not require international applicants to have a right to work in the UK), or a direct training contract interview if the scheme is necessarily in-person?

As the vacation scheme is the only route to a training contract in the firm, it'll be great if I could get some clarity regarding this to determine whether I could apply for a scheme.

Thank you so much!

 

[Jessica Booker]

Hi @Paul - Shearman & Sterling! I am a penultimate year law (B.A.LL.B) student from India, expected to graduate in 2023. I am greatly interested in applying for the vacation scheme at Shearman and Sterling. I'd be grateful if you could clarify a few questions that I had:

1. While I am aware the FAQs state that visas for vacation schemes are not sponsored, is there a possibility of this being considered on a case-by-case basis for strong applicants?
2. If a visa sponsorship for the vacation scheme is not possible for an international applicant, is there any possibility of a virtual vacation scheme (which would not require international applicants to have a right to work in the UK), or a direct training contract interview if the scheme is necessarily in-person?

As the vacation scheme is the only route to a training contract in the firm, it'll be great if I could get some clarity regarding this to determine whether I could apply for a scheme.

Thank you so much!

Obviously not Paul, but the trickiness with the visas is not necessarily with the firm but actually the U.K. government’s requirements for work visas. Most vacation schemes will not meet the points based system currently in place for some of the visas a firm could apply to. That means that even if a firm wanted to bring someone in, they may not meet the visas requirements.

You may want to look into whether you could work in the U.K. under some form of youth mobility visa - this was announced earlier this year (but I don’t know too much about it to be honest!):

UK-India agree partnership to boost work visas for Indian nationals

UK and India have signed an ambitious new migration partnership, which will see both countries benefit from a new scheme for Indian and British professionals.

www.gov.uk

Unfortunately even with virtual schemes, you are likely to be employed on a U.K. pay system, which means a visa would still be required even if you didn’t enter the country. Paying people outside of the U.K. is unfortunately not easy, and especially in India given the Indian regulations around international lawyers working in the country.

 

[keepmewherethelightis]

Obviously not Paul, but the trickiness with the visas is not necessarily with the firm but actually the U.K. government’s requirements for work visas. Most vacation schemes will not meet the points based system currently in place for some of the visas a firm could apply to. That means that even if a firm wanted to bring someone in, they may not meet the visas requirements.

You may want to look into whether you could work in the U.K. under some form of youth mobility visa - this was announced earlier this year (but I don’t know too much about it to be honest!):

UK-India agree partnership to boost work visas for Indian nationals

UK and India have signed an ambitious new migration partnership, which will see both countries benefit from a new scheme for Indian and British professionals.

www.gov.uk

Thanks for your inputs, @Jessica Booker!

I had a look at the Youth Mobility Scheme as well - I'm afraid I would not be eligible for it. The scheme requires the applicant to have completed an undergraduate degree. As I am presently a penultimate year law student in India, I would not be eligible for the Youth Mobility Scheme till I complete my degree in 2023.

I'm also not sure about whether there are any restrictions from the U.K. Government's side. However, Macfarlanes does sponsor visas for vacation schemes, and Links/A&O/HSF have routinely sponsored the visas for their India Internship in-person vacation schemes in previous years. Similarly, Indian students were paid for their virtual vacation schemes with Links/A&O/HSF last year. So maybe there is some scope, I guess.

However, a direct training contract application or (albeit less probable) a virtual vacation scheme would take care of these concerns, which is why I thought I'd ask Paul about this!

 

[Jessica Booker]

Thanks for your inputs, @Jessica Booker!

I had a look at the Youth Mobility Scheme as well - I'm afraid I would not be eligible for it. The scheme requires the applicant to have completed an undergraduate degree. As I am presently a penultimate year law student in India, I would not be eligible for the Youth Mobility Scheme till I complete my degree in 2023.

I'm also not sure about whether there are any restrictions from the U.K. Government's side. However, Macfarlanes does sponsor visas for vacation schemes, and Links/A&O/HSF have routinely sponsored the visas for their India Internship in-person vacation schemes in previous years. So maybe there is some scope, I guess.

However, a direct training contract application or (albeit less probable) a virtual vacation scheme would take care of these concerns, which is why I thought I'd ask Paul about this!

Yes, there will be some possibilities and it’s not impossible, just in many cases either difficult or costly.

The Indian specific programmes are a little different though as the firms you have listed will have a strategic aim to build their Indian talent within their network, and so invest heavily into that. They usually apply for the following visa in these cases (which they need a specific licence for): https://www.gov.uk/government-authorised-exchange

As mentioned, I would fully expect a virtual scheme to require a work permit however.

 

[keepmewherethelightis]

Yes, there will be some possibilities and it’s not impossible, just in many cases either difficult or costly.

The Indian specific programmes are a little different though as the firms you have listed will have a strategic aim to build their Indian talent within their network, and so invest heavily into that. They usually apply for the following visa in these cases (which they need a specific licence for): https://www.gov.uk/government-authorised-exchange

As mentioned, I would fully expect a virtual scheme to require a work permit however.

Hmm, that makes sense. Thanks @Jessica Booker!

 

[Paul - Shearman & Sterling]

Hi @Paul - Shearman & Sterling! I am a penultimate year law (B.A.LL.B) student from India, expected to graduate in 2023. I am greatly interested in applying for the vacation scheme at Shearman and Sterling. I'd be grateful if you could clarify a few questions that I had:

1. While I am aware the FAQs state that visas for vacation schemes are not sponsored, is there a possibility of this being considered on a case-by-case basis for strong applicants?
2. If a visa sponsorship for the vacation scheme is not possible for an international applicant, is there any possibility of a virtual vacation scheme (which would not require international applicants to have a right to work in the UK), or a direct training contract interview if the scheme is necessarily in-person?

As the vacation scheme is the only route to a training contract in the firm, it'll be great if I could get some clarity regarding this to determine whether I could apply for a scheme.

Thank you so much!

Hi @keepmewherethelightis

Thanks for the question. I'm afraid it's as straightforward as it says in the FAQs. We can't offer VISAs for a two-week vacation scheme.

All our schemes will be running in-person in our London office this academic year.

I hope that explains.

Paul

 

[Paul - Shearman & Sterling]

Obviously not Paul, but the trickiness with the visas is not necessarily with the firm but actually the U.K. government’s requirements for work visas. Most vacation schemes will not meet the points based system currently in place for some of the visas a firm could apply to. That means that even if a firm wanted to bring someone in, they may not meet the visas requirements.

You may want to look into whether you could work in the U.K. under some form of youth mobility visa - this was announced earlier this year (but I don’t know too much about it to be honest!):

UK-India agree partnership to boost work visas for Indian nationals

UK and India have signed an ambitious new migration partnership, which will see both countries benefit from a new scheme for Indian and British professionals.

www.gov.uk

Unfortunately even with virtual schemes, you are likely to be employed on a U.K. pay system, which means a visa would still be required even if you didn’t enter the country. Paying people outside of the U.K. is unfortunately not easy, and especially in India given the Indian regulations around international lawyers working in the country.

Yes, what @Jessica Booker said!

 

[hopefullylaw2000]

Hi Paul, I noticed on your website that the minimum grades are AAB for the vacation scheme. I had mitigating circumstances during my A-Levels and have since graduated with a 1st class degree and was wondering whether this would be considered when reviewing an application? Thanks in advance !

 

[Paul - Shearman & Sterling]

Hi Paul, I noticed on your website that the minimum grades are AAB for the vacation scheme. I had mitigating circumstances during my A-Levels and have since graduated with a 1st class degree and was wondering whether this would be considered when reviewing an application? Thanks in advance !

Hi @hopefullylaw2000

Thanks for your question. Yes, we always consider mitigating circumstances, so don't let this hold you back from applying.

Thanks,

Paul

 

[Lastseasonwonder]

Hi @Paul - Shearman & Sterling,

I hope this message finds you well.

I am aware that Shearman & Sterling runs two spring schemes but only one summer scheme. What does this mean for candidates applying for the summer scheme - is it more difficult to be successful for this scheme since there are less spaces? Also, I'm curious if spring and summer applications are read against each other, or if each cohort competes alone (i.e. spring applications are not compared to summer applications)?

Secondly, your website suggests that you recruit 12-15 candidates per year, but you are recruiting for August 2023 and 2024 this application cycle? Does that mean you will recruit 24 - 30 candidates this application cycle or will the 12-15 be split into the 2023 and 2024 cohorts?

Thank you.

 

[Paul - Shearman & Sterling]

Hi @Dwight

There tends to be very little difference in competitiveness for vacation schemes. I wouldn't let this affect which of the schemes you want to apply for.

We recruit 15 trainees per intake - so 15 in 2023, 15 in 2014 etc.

I hope that explains.

Thanks,

Paul

 

[Lastseasonwonder]

Hi @Dwight

There tends to be very little difference in competitiveness for vacation schemes. I wouldn't let this affect which of the schemes you want to apply for.

We recruit 15 trainees per intake - so 15 in 2023, 15 in 2014 etc.

I hope that explains.

Thanks,

Paul

Thanks for clarifying, @Paul - Shearman & Sterling.

I just have one follow up question regarding intake numbers. Since you are recruiting for 2023 and 2024 intakes this application cycle (from website), will you be offering 30 training contracts this application cycle?

Thank you.