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[layk]

Hi @Jessica Booker , thank you so much for answering the questions on this forum so far.

I had a quick question regarding Allen & Overy's TC and VC. They say they recruit up to 90 trainees a year and have around 50 vacation scheme spaces. Does this mean there are only around 40 TC spaces if they were to recruit the VS applicants or there's 90 TC spaces on top of the VS?

Thank you!

 

[WannabeSolicitor24]

Hi @Jessica Booker , thank you so much for answering the questions on this forum so far.

I had a quick question regarding Allen & Overy's TC and VC. They say they recruit up to 90 trainees a year and have around 50 vacation scheme spaces. Does this mean there are only around 40 TC spaces if they were to recruit the VS applicants or there's 90 TC spaces on top of the VS?

Thank you!

With A&O and other firms it will be 90 places in total - but not everyone on the Vac Scheme will get a TC offer and not everyone that does get an offer will accept it so probably 30-40 Vac Schemers will accept a TC after the Vac Scheme - so around 50-60 will come from the direct application

 

[layk]

With A&O and other firms it will be 90 places in total - but not everyone on the Vac Scheme will get a TC offer and not everyone that does get an offer will accept it so probably 30-40 Vac Schemers will accept a TC after the Vac Scheme - so around 50-60 will come from the direct application

I see - thank you!!

 

[TCLA Community Assistant]

When you reapply to a firm you have got through the application stage before, what exactly should you be changing? Most experiences will still be the same

I know firms say to show an improvement since your last application - but is it likely they will look at my old application and compare/remember it?

It’s not necessary to compare as such - they can see when your last application was submitted and they just look for evidence of things that have happened since.

Ultimately if your application is going to be very similar you have to ask yourself whether it’s really worthwhile applying.

 

[tractor12]

It’s not necessary to compare as such - they can see when your last application was submitted and they just look for evidence of things that have happened since.

Ultimately if your application is going to be very similar you have to ask yourself whether it’s really worthwhile applying.

I agree with that to some extent, but I think it depends on the reason for why a candidate was rejected. If it was because of a WG test for example, I don't it's necessary to have improved drastically since your last application but rather on the test itself. If someone was given feedback after an interview that their answers lacked depth, its their interview technique that would have needed to improve significantly rather than their application/experiences.

 

[TCLA Community Assistant]

With A&O and other firms it will be 90 places in total - but not everyone on the Vac Scheme will get a TC offer and not everyone that does get an offer will accept it so probably 30-40 Vac Schemers will accept a TC after the Vac Scheme - so around 50-60 will come from the direct application

That sounds about right.

They might have some other feeder programmes to take some of the TC places (they used to a long time ago anyway).

 

[TCLA Community Assistant]

I agree with that to some extent, but I think it depends on the reason for why a candidate was rejected. If it was because of a WG test for example, I don't it's necessary to have improved drastically since your last application but rather on the test itself. If someone was given feedback after an interview that their answers lacked depth, its their interview technique that would have needed to improve significantly rather than their application/experiences.

If it’s only down to someone’s interview technique needed improving, they would have been told/encouraged to reapply and the recruiter would be looking out for their application.

 

[Shane]

If it’s only down to someone’s interview technique needed improving, they would have been told/encouraged to reapply and the recruiter would be looking out for their application.

On that note, If I was successful at application stage, but was rejected post-VI. Can I use the same cover letter when reapplying, or should I have to update it?

 

[tractor12]

On that note, If I was successful at application stage, but was rejected post-VI. Can I use the same cover letter when reapplying, or should I have to update it?

Yeah this is what I mean

 

[TCLA Community Assistant]

On that note, If I was successful at application stage, but was rejected post-VI. Can I use the same cover letter when reapplying, or should I have to update it?

It should be updated/refined. I suspect anyone could change any document upon a second look at it with a fresh pair of eyes. Take into account some things may have changed/got better since your last application, it should change on some level.

 

[LydiaS]

Hi @Jessica Booker! I hope you are well. I was browsing through LinkedIn, and I noticed a few of my connections had 1-week placements with some Magic Circle and Silver Circle Firms (not formal vacation schemes or first-year insights). I was wondering, how people are able to obtain 1-week placements (if not through a formal process) as I've been struggling to add some legal work experience on my CV. Thank you, Jess!

 

[Daniel Boden]

Hi @Jessica Booker! I hope you are well. I was browsing through LinkedIn, and I noticed a few of my connections had 1-week placements with some Magic Circle and Silver Circle Firms (not formal vacation schemes or first-year insights). I was wondering, how people are able to obtain 1-week placements (if not through a formal process) as I've been struggling to add some legal work experience on my CV. Thank you, Jess!

Hey Lydia,

I'd imagine these schemes have come because the person is fortunate to have a connection at the firm who was able to facilitate some informal work experience. Sadly, this is what can be an unfair advantage for some candidates because they are able to get impressive experience purely based on who they know which is much tougher on those candidates who don't come from a background where corporate jobs are commonplace.

A friend of mine from such a background was able to source legal work experience by emailing a partner who worked on a case she found interesting so if in your research you find a case or matter particularly interesting, a cold email can work out very well!

All the best,
Dan

 

[CCH]

Hi @Jessica Booker! If an application has the following two questions: ''Please give a brief summary of your recreational and leisure activities, including sports and hobbies.'' and ''Please use this section to tell us about any academic or non academic achievements and interests not covered elsewhere in this application.'' Should I answer the former question by simply describing my interests or hobbies without highlighting any related achievements? Thank you!

 

[TCLA Community Assistant]

Hi @Jessica Booker! I hope you are well. I was browsing through LinkedIn, and I noticed a few of my connections had 1-week placements with some Magic Circle and Silver Circle Firms (not formal vacation schemes or first-year insights). I was wondering, how people are able to obtain 1-week placements (if not through a formal process) as I've been struggling to add some legal work experience on my CV. Thank you, Jess!

Could be a whole load of reasons.

There are sometimes work experience programmes for staff to refer people they know. For instance I know one firm that operates a Plus1 programme - for every “staff referral” they match it with someone from a low income family. As Dan mentioned, some firms just allow work experience, and so if you know someone you can generally go in and do a week unpaid with them.

Some firms also have programmes with diversity organisations.

Some firms run competitions and the prize is an internship

Some are CSR initiatives run through or in conjunction with their charity partners.

Some firms offer their campus ambassadors work experience, especially if their campus ambassadors don’t convert into vac schemes.

 

[TCLA Community Assistant]

Hi @Jessica Booker! If an application has the following two questions: ''Please give a brief summary of your recreational and leisure activities, including sports and hobbies.'' and ''Please use this section to tell us about any academic or non academic achievements and interests not covered elsewhere in this application.'' Should I answer the former question by simply describing my interests or hobbies without highlighting any related achievements? Thank you!

The way I read it is that you’d put your achievements related to your hobbies/recreational stuff in that question and then the final question is for anything else not covered by other questions.

 

[Matty900]

Hi Jessica

What should I expect from a training contract interview post-VS (considering the VS was virtual).

Thank you

 

[LegalNim]

Hi Jessica,
I'm studying for a Master's in Law (which is a QLD) after doing a non-law undergrad. I just received my June exam results and got 85, 85 and 75. I've applied to a number of firms for training contracts and haven't yet heard back. Should I be making contact to tell them I got my results or not? I think my academics are my weakest area at the moment as I was hospitalised during my undergraduate final year and during my A Level exam period (I'm disabled) so I feel there have been a few times when I haven't performed perfectly. Will this update demonstrate that I can perform or will my update just annoy them or be ignored?
Thanks

 

[LydiaS]

Hey Lydia,

I'd imagine these schemes have come because the person is fortunate to have a connection at the firm who was able to facilitate some informal work experience. Sadly, this is what can be an unfair advantage for some candidates because they are able to get impressive experience purely based on who they know which is much tougher on those candidates who don't come from a background where corporate jobs are commonplace.

A friend of mine from such a background was able to source legal work experience by emailing a partner who worked on a case she found interesting so if in your research you find a case or matter particularly interesting, a cold email can work out very well!

All the best,
Dan

Thank you, @Jessica Booker and @Daniel Boden. I've been trying to see whether I can contact a partner or two at a firm, however was wondering how appropriate this would be?

 

[Daniel Boden]

Thank you, @Jessica Booker and @Daniel Boden. I've been trying to see whether I can contact a partner or two at a firm, however was wondering how appropriate this would be?

Personally, I don't see any problem with it. Be prepared for the email to be ignored but if you can be as specific as possible regarding why you are contacting them and what you are hoping to get out of your interaction e.g. a phone call or an insight day or even a week's work-shadowing then that would be a good starting point I'd say.

 

[futuretraineecity]

Hi Jessica, is there typically any advantage of doing an earlier AC date? I have a choice of two dates but unsure whether to go earlier or take the extra time to prepare. Thanks!